User talk:Ortano/CountryQualifiers
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Purpose of qualifier[edit]
Usually, country as qualifier is added when it is not clear to which country specific place (of birth/of death) belonged at that specific moment (it can change over the time, you know). So you shouldn't remove it when that place belonged to different countries at different times (I suppose it is true nearly for all places, there was no eternal country in the world). --Infovarius (talk) 12:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Ortano: And if I add multiple states (as in e.g. Nizhyn (Q952457)) your deletion would be losing of information :( Infovarius (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: I saw those scenarios and only auto-deleted the qualifier when there was exactly one country on the target item and exactly one qualifier on the place of birth. E.g. you reverted my edit on Alberto Alonso (Q4062830). I don't see why this information is relevant, as Havana has exactly one country (otherwise the bot wouldn't have touched it). On the two other items, you added a country on the target item. Generally, I think that this information should not be part of the qualifier, but be inferred by using the date of birth and qualifiers of the country statements on target items. When it's still not clear which country the person was born, then maybe the qualifier should stay permanently (but I suppose that's only the case for a tiny fraction of current qualifier use. But as Infoboxes don't use the date of birth right now for detecting the correct country, I left all country qualifiers, where the target item didn't have exactly one country, untouched. Regarding your initial comment: From the 8000 discovered qualifiers I left approx. 800, because there was such a conflict like you mentioned (the target item had multiple country statements). --Ortano (talk) 12:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Please stop the removal of country (P17). Today is it Germany, in former times it was East and West Germany, before German Reich and many other names, and in the future perhaps Greet-Europe. --Harry Canyon (talk) 14:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Ortano:, I know that in principle a country is derivable from date and place of birth. But this is true only when all the data is complete, while now it isn't so. So for now this kind of information (country as qualifier) is essential and not replaceable. The example of Havana proves this. It had no multiple countries and you've deleted qualifiers. But in fact it belonged to multiple countries (as I've added later), so your deletion IS losing of information. May be you should restore all the deletions... Can you at least to give some statistics about deleted countries? --Infovarius (talk) 21:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: I saw those scenarios and only auto-deleted the qualifier when there was exactly one country on the target item and exactly one qualifier on the place of birth. E.g. you reverted my edit on Alberto Alonso (Q4062830). I don't see why this information is relevant, as Havana has exactly one country (otherwise the bot wouldn't have touched it). On the two other items, you added a country on the target item. Generally, I think that this information should not be part of the qualifier, but be inferred by using the date of birth and qualifiers of the country statements on target items. When it's still not clear which country the person was born, then maybe the qualifier should stay permanently (but I suppose that's only the case for a tiny fraction of current qualifier use. But as Infoboxes don't use the date of birth right now for detecting the correct country, I left all country qualifiers, where the target item didn't have exactly one country, untouched. Regarding your initial comment: From the 8000 discovered qualifiers I left approx. 800, because there was such a conflict like you mentioned (the target item had multiple country statements). --Ortano (talk) 12:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC)