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Autodescription — Worcester metropolitan area (Q6174075)
description: metropolitan statistical area in Massachusetts, United States
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- Generic queries for administrative territorial entities
This list of queries is designed for all instances of administrative territorial entity (Q56061). It is generated using {{TP administrative area}}.
Geography
- Places in Worcester metropolitan area (query)
- Map of places in Worcester metropolitan area (query)
- List of monuments (Monumental (Q29167605))
- List of places ordered by altitude (query) (Based on elevation above sea level (P2044).)
- Count of buildings by architectural style (query)
- List of highest buildings (query) (Based on height (P2048).)
- Organizations with headquarters in Worcester metropolitan area (query)
- List of items which have power over or which apply to Worcester metropolitan area (query) (applies to jurisdiction (P1001))
People
- People born in Worcester metropolitan area, sorted by number of sitelinks (query)
- Main occupation of people born in Worcester metropolitan area (query)
- People dead in Worcester metropolitan area, sorted by number of sitelinks (query) (place of death (P20))
- People buried in Worcester metropolitan area, sorted by number of sitelinks (query) (place of burial (P119))
- People living in Worcester metropolitan area, sorted by number of sitelinks (query) (residence (P551))
Arts and fictions
- List of items with narrative location in Worcester metropolitan area (query) (narrative location (P840))
- List of movies with filming location in Worcester metropolitan area (query) (filming location (P915))
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Country subdivision
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Worcester[edit]
@Dcflyer: According to the cited source, this MSA is named after Worcester city (as the principal city) but does not directly contain the city, as expected for contains the administrative territorial entity (P150); it contains the county that contains the city. Minh Nguyễn 💬 21:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Mxn: From one of the statement's attached references, OMB Bulletin No. 23-01 (Q122848859) (.pdf), Appendix, p. 3: "OMB’s 2020 Standards provide for the identification of one or more principal cities within each Metropolitan Statistical Area and Micropolitan Statistical Area. Principal cities encompass both incorporated places and census designated places (CDPs). In addition to identifying the more significant places in each Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Area in terms of population and employment, principal cities are also used in titling Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas, Metropolitan Divisions, and Combined Statistical Areas. A principal city may be only a part, or piece, of an incorporated or census designated place if that place is not entirely within the Metropolitan Statistical Area or Micropolitan Statistical Area for which the place is principal." [emphasis added]
- Furthermore, approximately 362 items with instance of metropolitan statistical area utilize P150 for/with their principal cities. Do you plan to remove all of those statements, sourced and unsourced, or to deprecate them?
- Also, do you have a source that states what you added in the the following edits: Special:Diff/2019100997 and Special:Diff/2019101129? And do you have references for the territory overlaps (P3179) claims that you added to this item?
- Additionally, NECTAs (and components) were discontinued under "2020 Standards for Delineating Core Based Statistical Areas", published in the Federal Register on 16 July 2021. From Section D. OMB's Decisions Regarding Changes to the 2010 Standards for Delineating Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas: Recommendation 2: Discontinue Updates to the NECTAs, NECTA Divisions, and Combined NECTAs. -- DCflyer* (talk) 23:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- As a core-based statistical area, an MSA is "defined in terms of whole counties or county equivalents", not cities. [1][2]
- contains the administrative territorial entity (P150) is currently described as "(list of) direct subdivisions of an administrative territorial entity" (emphasis mine). Of course the principal cities lie within the MSA, but the next line in the OMB listing indicates which counties and county-equivalents lie directly within the MSA – because generally counties contain cities. I suppose a mass edit would be in order, but I admit that reducing the principal cities to mere namesakes is rather unsatisfactory, even if technically accurate. Maybe we need a new property for "centered on" or somesuch?
- I added the coextensive with (P3403) statement based on Windham County (Q54251) getting taken out of the MSA at that time (sourced elsewhere in the item). What's a good based on heuristic (P887) to indicate that? The territory overlaps (P3179) statements are also by inference. I used the maps on data.census.gov to easily determine which statistical areas overlapped with which. Those maps are based on the BAS maps and census reference maps. But probably a more correct approach would’ve been to leave out these overlap statements and leave it up to a WDQS query to infer these relationships based on located in statistical territorial entity (P8138) statements.
- I'm aware that NECTAs are no longer used as a substitute for CBSAs in New England. However, the Census Bureau did publish population figures by NECTA, combined NECTA, and NECTA division in the 2020 Census, so they remain somewhat relevant in that sense. I attempted to only model counties as being direct subdivisions of CBSAs/metropolitan subdivisions and only model towns as being direct subdivisions of NECTAs/NECTA divisions. However, I did these edits very manually, so I may have flubbed a statement or two. Minh Nguyễn 💬 04:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, we could move the principal cities to significant place (P7153). That would avoid muddling the meaning of contains the administrative territorial entity (P150) while acknowledging that the MSA exists because of the city, even though there’s a county in the way. Minh Nguyễn 💬 05:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Dcflyer: I’ve moved the statement to significant place (P7153) for now and left a deprecated statement in contains the administrative territorial entity (P150) as a breadcrumb. If there aren’t any problems with this approach, I can prepare a batch edit to ensure consistency in the other MSA entries that already list the containing county as contains the administrative territorial entity (P150) and make a more specific item to serve as the reason for deprecation. Minh Nguyễn 💬 18:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)