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Autodescription — Vasile Lupu (Q220653)
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Native language
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There was no modern Romanian language in the Moldavian principality. During the time of Vasile Lupu, office work was conducted in Moldavian and Ruthenian languages. The population was bilingual: Moldovan and Ruthenian language. Where did modern Romanian in Latin come from? Here is the seal of ruler Vasile Lupu, where the legend is written in Ruthenian language. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- "During the time of Vasile Lupu, office work was conducted in Moldavian" original research. The language of the Principality of Moldavia was Romanian. Also, whether Ruthenian was used or not is irrelevant in this discussion. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- By the way, I removed the Ruthenian name because Wikidata gives no choice for using Ruthenian as a language. You cannot just add the Amis language of Taiwan as one instead. If there is no choice, there is no choice. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think that it is necessary not to delete the language, but to resolve this issue. See Wikidata:Contact the development team. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- You can't add Ruthenian and tag it as a language in Taiwan. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 12:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think that it is necessary not to delete the language, but to resolve this issue. See Wikidata:Contact the development team. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- By the way, I removed the Ruthenian name because Wikidata gives no choice for using Ruthenian as a language. You cannot just add the Amis language of Taiwan as one instead. If there is no choice, there is no choice. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Cite sources that the language of the Moldavian principality was modern Romanian. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 19:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please bring neutral English sources that state the language of Moldavia is the same of the Soviet invention of the 20th century. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 12:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Moldovan language
[edit]Sources saying that in the Moldavian principality, the Moldovan language was the official language since the 17th century.
- Черепнин Л. В. История Молдавской ССР: С древнейших времен до Великой Октябрьской социалистической революции. — Кишинёв: Картя молдовеняскэ, 1965. — С. 263.
- Pierre Lescalopier l’an 1574 de Venise a Constantinople, dans Paul Cernovodeanu, Studii și materiale de istorie medievală, IV, 1960, p. 444
- Paul Cernovodeanu, Studii și materiale de istorie medievală, IV, 1960, p. 444.
Dimitrie Cantemir also claimed that the Moldovan language is spoken in the Moldavian principality (Dimitrie Cantemir Descriptio Moldaviae). --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 10:28, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cantemir refers to Moldavian as a dialect and compares it with Wallachian, Transylvanian and "Cutzovlach" (Aromanian). [1]
- This is what Pierre Lescalopier states:
"Tout ce pays la Wallachie et Moldavie et la plus part de la Transivanie a esté peuplé des colonie romaines du temps de Traian l'empereur... Ceux du pays se disent vrais successeurs des Romains et nomment leur parler romanechte [românește, Romanian], c'est-à-dire romain ... "
Ruthenian language
[edit]Two sources confirming that the Ruthenian language in the principality was official (ru):
- Камбур Дмитрий Представительство русского населения Молдавии в Боярском совете при Петре Рареше (1527-1538, 1541-1546 гг.)
- Суляк С. Г. Русский язык в Молдавии // «Русин», 2010 --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 10:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- If Ruthenian is not a language property option, you cannot do anything but wait until it is added. If that happens, I won't oppose adding that name. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 12:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)