Talk:Q20437053

Pov pushing by user M. A. Martin

Hello, please explain what is problem with your constant pushing of old material? If someone was member of one party for 6 months 12 years ago and left it, that mean he is not part of that ideology. Also it's irrelevant now, he is director of government office, that is far more important than being part of some irrelevant organisation for 6 months. Also edit contains 20+ other relevant edits stop with your pov pushing please. 87.116.162.179 10:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC) Also i am informing you, if you just remove all of my edits, without even addressing all of those, i will ask for administrators help. Its you who is pushing this info on this article for quite some time now, while several other editors before removed that. Also i see you are adding that info to other pages also. I hope you are not struggling for some kind of political cause. ----87.116.162.179 10:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Your personnal attacks have no place on Wikipedia. Don't hesitate, actually, to ask for administration help, this would be indeed much better !

Arnaud Gouillon was not part of a political movement "only for 6 months", "years ago", he was always an identitarian activist and even wanted to run for French presidential election but was unable to make it. Now some POV pushers like you (especially you in fact ?) want to erase his far-right political ideas and activism, why ?

Your sources ? MFA Russia ! Remove this, remove the POV pushing / propaganda sources, and then, maybe, we can start on good bases.

In 2004, he is already a member of "Bloc identitaire", his NGO is funded by Identitaires activists and is described as "extrême droite".

In 2011, he is candidate for Bloc identitaire for 2012 French presidential elections.

In 2014 it is written taht he and his group try to present themselves as respectable in the political "without breaking with traditional far-right political radicalism"

By 2017, according to Le Monde, his NGO sign "Solidarité Kosovo" had become a symbole for Identitarian activists

In 2018, he is not allowed to cross the border into Kosovo because he is suspected of working for Russia

In 2020, ties between his NGO and Front National are proved again.

(so no, it's not 6 months, it's at least 16 years !)

"My sources" are not old, as you falsely write, I put you just some here especially for you : from 2014, 2015, 2017, to 2020, 2020 again, 2021...

And instead of accusing me of POV pushing, could you explain us why removing what is duly sourced (with real sources not MFA Russia propaganda), maybe your " I hope you are not struggling for some kind of political cause." may apply to you ? M.A. Martin (talk) 19:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

OK Martin, i am sorry for my comments now everything is much clearer. Please allow me just few days to check all your sources and i will reply. Thank you also for not just reverting back that means you are respectable editor. Sorry again, just, unfortunately so many editors are here just pushing their own view without any respect and guidelines that i automatically think everyone are like that. Thanks, i will respectfully reply soon! ----77.243.30.11 14:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for you apologies. I always am and was a respectale editor. The sources above were almost all checkable from his French page.

What is less respectul, according to me is, without any question, erasing and changing so many things without even at least reading the sources or asking on the discussion page... Did you have time to read sources by now ? There are still changes to do, not only on Wikidata but on several versions of his pages, which are not complete (their translation into French was viewed by editors (not me) as "an advertisement page, without proper sources", it was then enhanced but still problematic. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Gouillon

[To go further : the vast majority of French far-right militants don't want to be labelled this way and say "this was me in the past, I've changed", but this is not a sufficient reason why sources shouldn't be taken seriously.] M.A. Martin (talk) 07:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I have removed far right form the lede, it is irrelevant and pov. Who wants to know more, should read the articles and not check disclaimer. Also, that is not true, this person is government official and not activist. --91.143.216.166 10:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Removed sourced information based on reliable sources according to a personnal view ("this is not true" doesn't work). We have here multiple sources all saying "far right", "extrême droite", "identitaire", etc. M.A. Martin (talk) 16:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

You are not allowed to pov push. Something will not be in article only because you like it to be there. You must look neutraly on article. Something that ended decade ago is not relevant for current biography of living people. Also, we have a lot of argument against your additions, so please stop pov pushing and start talking. Your constant reverts are vandalism. --Pane.Vino.Wiki (talk) 07:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Attempt to hide "far-right" / "identitaire" from profile (again) despite sources ?

@Pane.Vino.Wiki It's now twice that you are trying to hide Arnaud Gouillon's links to far-right and identatitarian movements while we have a long historic (since at least 2003, as shown above, in the previous discussion that you obvisouly read and answered), but also several recent sources (2021, 2022) establishing this. This looks like POV-pushing and can't be removed "only only because you (don't) like it to be there", to quote your owns words. Recent sources include : https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/16/french-connection-humanitarian-far-right-claims-kosovo-as-cautionary-tale (2022) https://www.cairn.info/revue-du-crieur-2020-3-page-138.htm it has been establish than Gouillon and his supporters have been trying to erase his links with far-right and whitewash his profile as a simple "neutral" humanitarian while his role is infact clearly political (far-right), and even by insulting and smearing journalist questionning his links to far-right https://www.courrierdesbalkans.fr/Serbie-quand-les-Identitaires-et-l-ultra-droite-sonnent-l-hallali-contre-la

@Pane.Vino.Wiki Vous avez lu et répondu à la discussion ci-dessus. A priori, votre seul argument étant qu'Arnaud Gouillon aurait cesser tout lien avec l'extrême-droite et le mouvement identitaire depuis plus de 10 ans ? C'est faux, et des sources en parlent, très récemment. Or, vous avez vu la source de 2022 (et êtes intervenu après) sur sa page wikipedia francophone. M.A. Martin (talk) 08:08, 25 September 2022 (UTC)