Talk:Q151622

Reverting

This edit reverted my edit that IP conflict is an instance with reason "inapplicable". I don't see how, the words "territorial dispute" appear nowhere in the WP parent article whereas "military occupation" appears in the opening paragraph of the lead "The current Israeli-Palestinian status quo began following Israeli military occupation of the Palestinian territories in the 1967 Six-Day War." I have restored the edit. Selfstudier (talk) 09:09, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

That's not how Wikidata properties work. Occupation is an aspect of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, not the other way around. Many examples of the conflict (such as, stabbings) are not instances of occupation. Also, there was no Israeli occupation before 1967. Territorial dispute, on the other hand, is at the core of the conflict, and all aspects of the conflict come down to the dispute between Israelis and Palestinians over territory. See Help:Basic membership properties. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 02:03, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

all aspects of the conflict come down to the dispute between Israelis and Palestinians over territory. Total bs, all aspects of the conflict come down to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory which I can provide plenty of references for. Please provide a detailed reference for the Israeli Palestinian conflict as being a territorial dispute, an Israeli POV position supported by no-one. See Disputed territories for the position held by Israel and Occupied territories for the position held by the entire world except Israel as well as the references there. That is the current state of the IP conflict regardless of what it might have been historically.

The assertion that "Territorial dispute, on the other hand, is at the core of the [current] conflict" needs a reference as I have just demonstrated that it is false POV pushing. Selfstudier (talk) 10:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

The Israeli–Palestinian conflict began before the occupation started in 1967, so the occupation is not the cause of the conflict. And this item covers the whole of the conflict, including the period before the occupation started, as well. "Territorial dispute" does not refer to the dispute over the territories occupied in 1967. It's a neutral term, which means that the parties to the conflict do not agree on where the border is. "The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is rooted in a century-long territorial dispute over the Holy Land". --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 18:28, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

The claim is that the IP conflict is an instance of (ie is a ) territorial dispute and I have demonstrated with references that not only is that a false statement, it is a non neutral statement because it reflects the POV of the Israeli government, a POV held by no-one else except them.

As for the supplied reference, that is a claim, an opinion, of which there are many, about the cause of the IP conflict, it does not say that the IP conflict is a' territorial dispute. Apart from that, Israel did not even exist a century ago so how does a claim about the supposed cause in any way support the claim that the IP conflict is a territorial dispute? Selfstudier (talk) 21:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

It was arguably a territorial dispute until 1967 so I have added both instances with a start time. Once I figure out how to add refs I will do that. Selfstudier (talk) 09:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

A United Nations special rapporteur has accused Israel of committing the crime of apartheid in the occupied territories, joining a growing group of international, Israeli and Palestinian rights watchdogs that have sought to recast the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a struggle for equal rights instead of a territorial dispute. Selfstudier (talk) 13:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the "territorial dispute" statement because apparently it's only used on items that are purely territorial disputes, not conflicts in which territorial disputes are a contributing factor. "Military occupation" can't be used here, as I explained in my first reply; it belongs to Israeli occupation of the West Bank (Q60753669). --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)