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Autodescription — Kirichenko (Q1295521)
description: family name (Кириченко)
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@Valentina.Anitnelav: Hi! Please, tell me, is this an element about an Ukrainian or a Russian surname? --Бучач-Львів (talk) 09:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Бучач-Львів: Hello, at the moment it is about both (about string Кириченко), therefore I put Kyrychenko/Kirichenko into the English label. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- I stick to the rules of Wikidata:WikiProject_Names - one item for one string. I'm not going to argue about it if you start to split this item, but I will not do it myself either. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Valentina.Anitnelav: Sorry, bat... what You for some reason call "split this item", in fact - putting things in order. Because there is quite a big difference between these surnames! Ukr. Кириченко = eng. Kyrychenko = polish Kyryczenko etc. Rus. Кириченко = polish Kiriczenko = eng. Kirichyenko (or something like this - Kirichenko etc). PS. We have already said that this rule is erroneous. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Valentina.Anitnelav: There are wikipedias in different languages, including those that are not official! These are different cultures, and this must be remembered. Sincerely --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Бучач-Львів: When I write that you may split up this item this is a neutral description of what you make if you create several items for it: you can split up an item or you can merge two items. No evaluation was implied (I'm neither saying that I think it is good or that I think it is bad).
- As to your argument that the strings are transcribed differently based on source language: It is the same with Paul (Q4925623). look at the Russian label of Paul (Q4925623); based on source language it is transcribed differently (German Paul = Russian Пауль vs. French Paul = Russian Поль vs. English Paul = Russian Пол), but it is still one item, as it represents the same latin string: "Paul".
- "We have already said that this rule is erroneous". This is not true. You have said that the rule is erroneous but, until now, there has not been consensus to change the rule. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk)
- @Valentina.Anitnelav: Paul (Пауль) it's not a slavic name. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:38, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- Here is one example, as they sometimes write here... --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Бучач-Львів: Just out of curiosity (I'm not out for a dispute): Why does it matter that Paul is not a Slavic name? If you want to change the rules so that items should be based on transcriptions than this should apply to all names, not only to Slavic ones. And, of course, this should apply to all transcriptions, not only to those into latin systems. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:51, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Valentina.Anitnelav: Sorry, I had to write in Cyrillic first ) because Slavic names are written in Cyrillic ) --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Valentina.Anitnelav: As for Paul (Q4925623), I think that it is necessary to create different elements, based on how they are pronounced. There will be less confusion. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 11:06, 16 January 2022 (UTC)