This property would affiliate a historical state with one (or more) nation-state traditions. Among other things, this would allow someone to query persons tied to historical German or Italian states using country of citizenship (P27), for example any ship captain of an Italian state in the 16th century.Pharos (talk) 02:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Is it somehow possible to query by "replaced by"? I do agree with your motivation, because there might be several iterations of "replaced by" and might be easier to query, but I'm not sure if this the ideal solution🤔, especially because of multiple overlappings (such as Republic of Venice (Q4948), today part of 6 different countries. Germartin1 (talk) 07:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, this is complicated. First of all, the direction should go the other way: recent/current states claim their predecessors as sharing a nation-state tradition, not the other way around. I think there might also be instances of states renouncing their historical nation affiliation/tradition. North and South Korea both claim to be the Korean nation-state and the successor to previous such states, as Korea. Should the items used be North Korea (Q423) and South Korea (Q884), or Korea (Q18097)? How should Taiwan (Q865) be handled? The government claims to be part of the chain of governments of China, but the local independence movement claims the country to be of a different nation entirely. Do we prioritize claims of the country itself? How do we deal with historical countries in the middle of a chain? If nation-state X claims descent from Y and Z but Y didn't claim descent from Z, how to show that? Is the Byzantine Empire (Q12544) linked to the Roman Empire by nation-state tradition? Should we also attempt to link pre- and post-state entities, and failed independence attempts and movements, with the system? Some countries had long-lasting pre-state institutions which became the state over time, or governments-in-exile during times of occupation. Some nation-states are based around particular cultures or ethnicities, should those be linked somehow? --Yair rand (talk) 20:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It also means that Wikidata driven infoboxes, on Wikipedia, would contain information relevant to the country, as per existing infoboxes. For example, Andorra WD infobox on cywiki - has missing info which is on enwiki (Independence from Aragon; 1278). Really needs two new properties. 'Independence from' and 'Date of decleration of independence'. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:20, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Yair rand: - you make it sound really difficult! This is how they solved it on enwiki (see Andorra):
Support (provisionally, I want to think about this some more...). I think there is a long way to go to make things work properly for all the different ways we use "nationality", "nationhood" etc, but this is definitely interesting and a step in the right direction. Andrew Gray (talk) 13:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Republic of Venice, which ceased to exist in 1797, was not associated with a state whose date of inception was 2 June 1946. Indeed, the latter is not a "nation-state tradition". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits13:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And that's why it's not added on the enwiki infobox. But where it does make sense, as with Andorra, then it should be included. The property is really badly worded, and should only apply to current, independent, sovereign states. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 14:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support David (talk) 08:16, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment Is it somehow possible to query by "replaced by"? I do agree with your motivation, because there might be several iterations of "replaced by" and might be easier to query, but I'm not sure if this the ideal solution🤔, especially because of multiple overlappings (such as Republic of Venice (Q4948), today part of 6 different countries. Germartin1 (talk) 07:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Oppose Germartin1 (talk) 08:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
