Wikidata talk:Wikiquote

Quotes as items

Nice start for Wikiquote! Did you considered having each quote as a sepparate item? It could be useful to link it to the original source, to tag it with the author, theme, work, etc. so by entering it only once it will display in the appropriate page. What are your thoughts about it? At least for works that are in the public domain it should be possible. --Micru (talk) 10:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

This is discussed on Meta and explicitly excluded from this proposal, see lead section. --Nemo 09:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I do agree with Nemo. I don't think it is a good idea to import quotes here, at least until we find out we really have to do it, while I think Wikidata could be useful to provide some basic informations about the subject of the page (and the links of course). --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 16:58, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

@Micru: I've proposed m:Structured Wikiquote that deals with quote items. --Ricordisamoa 14:58, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

QOTD and QOTW

Larger language versions often have a "Quote of the Day" system (e.g. q:es:Wikiquote:Frase del día and q:fr:Wikiquote:Citation du jour), while most small ones have "Quote of the Week" (e.g. q:cs:Wikicitáty:Citát týdne and q:gl:Wikiquote:Cita da semana).

Given that (supposedly) there aren't any language editions using both systems, can/should we link those two systems together into a single item?

Note: this would also cover linking of QOTD-related templates and modules. --Ricordisamoa 21:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean the interlinking of the process/root template pages, or the actual, individual items? Ok for the former, but I don't think it's really possible to map (all) the "featured feeds" items: even when they have the same frequency they differ in structure; for instance en.quote continuouosly refreshes the quote of the day while it.quote reuses the same templates, occasionally revamping some days. --Nemo 17:09, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Connecting via bot

Hello, I've a bot which already added site links of more than one (maybe two I'm not sure) million site links from Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, and Wikisource. So I already have the codes and they will be ready for adding Wikiquote pages very easily, I'll import pages of main namespace (not subpages), categories (not soft redirects), templates (not subpages) in Wikiquote. If anything else needs to be imported, please tell me or something needs to be taken care of. Best Amir (talk) 12:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Project pages perhaps? (excluding subpages) --Jakob (talk) 12:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

That is possible too. If it's needed tell me to run on them too Amir (talk) 12:49, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup: is this a bot that imports links to Wikidata only, or one that removes them from Wikiquote too? Also, do you have the necessary approvals? --Rschen7754 01:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

@Rschen7754: my bot is a global bot so there won't be problem for removing them in Wikis with global bots permission (and I'll remove the iw links in that wikis too) and I have general approval for importing sitelinks from Wikimedia Sites in Wikidata (if you think I need to go through the paperwork again, tell me) for Wikis without GB permission, I didn't plan to do anything. How many wikis are in this situation? Amir (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

11 (see the new list on the main page). You really should get approval from each of the 11 communities, especially the English Wikiquote. We want to build good relationships with local wikis; people were really upset when you ran your bot on wikis that were not global bot wikis, with the Wikisource deployment. --Rschen7754 06:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

(I can help with this, if needed). --Rschen7754 07:27, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'm gonna request there Amir (talk) 09:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

@Rschen7754: I made a request in en, de, pl, and ko for others I couldn't find a suitable place to add my request Amir (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll look later today for the remaining request pages. --Rschen7754 17:17, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

With Welsh Wikiquote, post it on Wikiquote:Botiaid and (speaking honestly :p) I will accept it and take it from there giving a week for anyone wanting to ruin it to pop out of no where and oppose it but I doubt it. John F. Lewis (talk) 17:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup: I've updated the section for bot approvals. kowikiquote is ready to go, the bot flag can be added once you have 100 edits there. arwikiquote was a global bot wiki, but not documented anywhere. I've made urwikiquote and guwikiquote global bot wikis since Merlissimo started discussions for those back in 2012. For hr, sa, th, and cy you still need to make the requests. It's been about a week for the requests you already made, so they could probably be taken to crats or stewards soon. --Rschen7754 23:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand, what wikis do you have problems with? m:Steward_requests/Bot_status#Instructions has links. --Nemo 21:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Not all wikis will flag you that easily, but if you don't mind going around asking per m:Bot policy of course your help is appreciated. I can handle the removals on all wikis myself otherwise, I have experience running bots (I assume it's python) and I have fun solving interwiki conflicts as well. Otherwise I could give you the password of AnankeBot for some days, but I'd have to check if it's allowed by all wikis which trusted it with the flag. --Nemo 21:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nemo_bis: I'm writing a code to list interwiki conflicts and you can check them and fix them Amir (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but let me know on any of my talk pages if you need a (flagged) bot run anywhere. --Nemo 22:05, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Sure, thank you Amir (talk) 13:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Notability

I've started the usual notability discussion, to get things rolling: see WD:PC#Wikiquote notability. --Rschen7754 03:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Import links from Russian Wikiquote

I'd like to ask bot owners to help with import links from Russian Wikiquote. Main namespace uses q:ru:Шаблон:Навигация with parameter Википедия point to Wikipedia article, Викитека - to Wikisource page, Викигид - to Wikivoyage page. Wikipedia links may be redirects in case of pages dedicated to persons. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 02:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

See above for the bots. I suppose Amir knows already, anyway it.quote has q:it:Template:Interprogetto which links to all other projects, similar to other Wikiquotes which have one all-projects template; en.quote, de.quote, pl.quote and others use the older approach of q:en:Template:Wikipedia etc. but also/mainly link the corresponding Wikipedia page from the first bolded word in the article. --Nemo 16:50, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko: I think that the PLURAL switch in m:User:SamoaBot/Wikidata Summary/translate/ru needs a third parameter. If not needed, just insert an empty one. Thanks, --Ricordisamoa 17:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I fixed messages. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:08, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

My bot is working on importing the Wikidata links from every wikiquote so It will take a while, not so much because It's doing it fast Amir (talk) 18:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, so far it didn't create a single new item: does this mean you manage to match 100 % of pages with other wikis, or is this just the first step? --Nemo 16:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now it does.[1] --Nemo 08:42, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nemo_bis: It's just first step, the creation was about another script that automatically ran for taking care of new categories in Wikipedia and Wikisource Amir (talk) 10:01, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

On my experience many author categories in Wikisource have their counterparts in Wikipedia and Commons. I think will be reasonable to ask Wikisource contributors to link them before proceeding with bots. Just to avoid unnecessary merges. See also Wikidata:Bot requests#Wikisource categories link suggestion. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:13, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Ladsgroup/Wikiquote integration

I've given a quick look and most of the "conflicts" I could identify were actually fr.wikiquote now-deleted pages (for q:it:Allen I don't see any conflict). On the French Wikiquote there was a spike of thousands "theme" pages which were later deleted, so we're going to have a lot of noise here if you don't just ignore deleted titles. --Nemo 09:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, It's a prototype of the list I want to provide for people. I made a very strict rule for my bot for giving up removing interwiki links due to avoid any mistakes and I'm writing some other codes to take care of possible interwiki conflicts (and clean up those lists) so these lists will be shrinking until my bot can't go further and after that I'll advertise it and ask people to come and take care of the list manually Amir (talk) 13:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nemo_bis: I wrote a code fix obvious interwiki issues and I'm running it on Persian Wikiquote after that I'll run it on Italian Wikiquote and it'll be fixing lots of problems Amir (talk) 22:29, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Wonderful! I see the lists shrunk already. Can't wait to look into the actual conflicts. :) --Nemo 15:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Languages sk,cs,fa,pt and de have finished. I'm going to run on other languages Amir (talk) 02:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Updating Wikidata:Wikiquote

Hi all,

I'm reaching out because I'm currently cleaning up and updating the Wikidata documentation for sister projects. For an idea of what that means, see Wikidata:Wikisource and Wikidata:Wikinews which I recently updated.

As you'll see, I added some navigation and structure to both. I'd like to introduce these same changes to Wikiquote. I'm also interested in helping and/or supporting efforts to improve Wikidata:Wikiquote so the page more fully reflects the fact that Wikivoyage now has Phase 2 deployment of Wikidata (IMO currently the page reads as though deployment is still just in the proposal phase, despite the dates that indicate otherwise). It'd also be great to include content on how Wikidata can support Wikiquote (and vice versa) and why people should care and contribute. Unless anyone objects, in the next couple of days I'll start making some changes and moving content around to sub-pages.

If you have comments or suggestions for content that is missing but should be added, please let me know! Thanks -Thepwnco (talk) 21:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Checking links to Wikipedia

There is template {{Wikipedia}} in many Wikiquotes, which links to the article about the same subject in Wikipedia. In cs.wikiquote there is now cs:q:Modul:SisterProjectLink which can be used to check, if the link isn page is the same as link in Wikidata. You can see the use in cs:q:Šablona:Wikipedie. JAn Dudík (talk) 05:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Page(s) updated as part of documentation overhaul

Hi all,

as discussed above, I've gone ahead and updated the Wikidata:Wikiquote page. I realize these are substantial changes—but I did try and keep the original proposal/discussion largely unchanged (as you will see, it is now a subpage at Wikidata:Wikiquote/Development). I also added in redirects for all talk pages to point to just one main talk page (this one). If you have suggestions or concerns please leave them here—you can, of course, edit/revert my changes but I hope this documentation will prove useful for the Wikiquote community, help sustain contributions to Wikidata, and encourage further collaboration.

Thanks in advance for your feedback. -Thepwnco (talk) 19:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

A looot of unconnected pages

I made some statistics, basing on Special:Statistics and Special:UnconnectedPages on each major edition of Wikiquote. I found that there are a lot of pages in ns0 which are not connected in Wikidata. Here are some data (unconnected vs. total pages in ns0):

• cs - 21/7728 (0.3%)
• nl - 22/999 (2%)
• sk - 33/4520 (0.7%)
• it - 43/23501 (0.2%)
• tr - 55/3287 (2%)
• en - 125/26721 (0.5%)
• uk - 134/4320 (3%)
• fr - 160/3939 (4%)
• bs - 353/4028 (9%)
• nn - 1087/1700 (64%)
• es - 1683/6213 (27%)
• ru - 1796/11014 (16%)
• pt - 2328/6917 (34%)
• de - 3044/7588 (40%)
• pl - 8681/22253 (39%)

In the count of the unconnected pages maybe there are category redirects and soft redirects which should not be connected as per Wikidata:Notability/Exclusion_criteria. Some Wikiquotes are in a very good situation (cs, nl, sk, it, tr etc.) but for some versions there are a lot of missing pages (pl, de, pt, ru, es, etc.). We need to fix it, maybe a collaboration? Here are some proposals and comments:

1. We shall not just import them via bot. We'd find thousands of lonely items which would need to be merged later. I think it would be more useful if we create lists of Wikiquote pages with links to Wikipedia (e.g. in the first section in bold, or in a {{Wikipedia}} template) and just connect them (checking if the Wikipedia link is correct, of course... I've often found links to missing pages or to uncorrect pages). The remaining pages could be dealt in groups (e.g. films, which can be easily found on Imbd). Finally, pages which do not have correspondances on Wikidata can be listed together and then imported via bot.
2. There are a lot of pages of people who are hardly notable. Maybe their notability should be checked before importing them on Wikidata?

Let me know what you think. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 09:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your post. A few comments:

• If people have a page at Wikiquote, an item can be created at Wikidata.
• I don't really have much experience with Wikiquote, but it seems that most of these pages are likely to have an existing item at Wikidata. Maybe a suggestion to users could be added when these pages are created. People might be more likely to follow that if you attempt to draw some of the content for new pages from Wikidata.
• To link existing items, Duplicity could work well, but it currently doesn't seem to support Wikiquote directly.
• You could use it through https://petscan.wmflabs.org/ . In "Examples", I added one for a category on plwikiquote.
• Please avoid creating items that would need to be merged with existing items later.
• In absolute numbers, I think the above Wikiquotes compare fairly well to most other wikis.
• For pages that have items, but no statements, see Wikidata:Database_reports/without_claims_by_site (sort by "group" and look for "Wikiquote").

Hope this helps.
--- Jura 10:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1: Thanks for comments :)

• "If people have a page at Wikiquote, an item can be created at Wikidata." -> yes, I know, I wasn't talking from a "Wikidatian user" side (who should just take what there is on the projects) but from a "Wikiquotian user" side (who thinks that maybe the fact that there aren't still traces of that person maybe it's a hint of unnotability). Of course that was an addendum, not mandatory.
• "[...] People might be more likely to follow that if you attempt to draw some of the content for new pages from Wikidata." -> if I got it right, the suggestion is to "teach" people to connect new pages to Wikidata, writing them and/or explaining better in the help pages? If so, it's a good suggestion, but it will work from this point, and now we have lots of past pages.
• "Please avoid creating items that would need to be merged with existing items later." -> that's exactly what I wrote, totally agree ;)
• "In absolute numbers, I think the above Wikiquotes compare fairly well to most other wikis." -> I don't have enough data to support quantitatively this statement, but my impression is that Wikibooks, Wikiversity and Wikisource have way more pages missing (but because of the subpages they have in each topic, so it is not easy to compare), Wikivoyage has less (maybe because they are younger and it is easier to connect pages of places) as well as Wikinews (because the articles just need to be imported as they are, it's very rare to connect them), while Wikipedia... yes, they obviously have more (more than 10,000), but not always: it.wikipedia has just 6000 unconnected pages.
• Duplicity, Petscan and claims: I will check, thanks.

--Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 12:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I think it would also be useful to add to the list article titles that match between Wikiquote and Wikipedia (of the same language). I've been doing some manual work on this and it seems that many Wikiquote entries on pt and eo are either redirect or disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. NMaia (talk) 17:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)