Wikidata:Property proposal/presented in

presented in

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Done: presented in (P5072) (Talk and documentation)

Description	event at which a talk, film, paper, or poster was presented
Data type	Item
Domain	lecture (Q603773), scholarly article (Q13442814)
Allowed values	subclasses of event (Q1656682)
Example	Tim Berners-Lee: The year open data went worldwide (Q22946133) → TED2010 (Q22980648)

Motivation

Currently, we don't seem to have a clear property to specify the conference in which a lectures got held or a paper got presented. ChristianKl (talk) 22:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support Though we may see the use of part of (P361)/has part(s) (P527) to represent this information, I am of the opinion that 'presented in' is semantically better. John Samuel 08:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Agreed. Also please include the alias "presented at" which I think is more idiomatic in US English. - PKM (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Seems to be the right direction to go in. -- Fuzheado (talk) 12:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support David (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Wait At least for lecture (Q603773) I think part of (P361) is enough. Otherwise how should we model a paper that is presented at a lecture at a conference where all three have an item? This proposed property twice? Partly the proposal overlaps with http://schema.org/subEvent, I tend to prefer that approach for scholarly article (Q13442814) (out part of (P361) here I think). Could you provide a use case for a scholarly article (Q13442814)? --Marsupium (talk) 00:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support ~★ nmaia ^d 01:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Support Sounds reasonable. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 05:53, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Could replace part of (P361) on TED talks. @Pigsonthewing, Jane023: Mahir256 (talk) 06:06, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose (see comments below) I guess this is the "book or paper promotion" version of contains (P4330). It could indeed be used in regard to certain TED talks, though it could not replace part of (P361) on the talk itselt. It could be used to refer to the talk, as in Foldscope: origami-based paper microscope (Q21090616) -> presented in -> Manu Prakash: A 50-cent microscope that folds like origami (Q22938728). Jane023 (talk) 08:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Comment Please add at least another example (not related to TED) and allowed values (event?). Is there a possible super-property? Having an event presented at another event seems rather different from presenting a paper or poster at an event. -- JakobVoss (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Comment The proposal is probably better than the current sample. Sometimes people just present a summary of some paper. However, the above sample links the actual recording to the event. Can you add something else?
  --- Jura 19:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@ChristianKl, Jsamwrites, PKM, Fuzheado: @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, NMaia, Doc James, Jane023, Mahir256: this proposal clearly has strong support but it is not yet ready due to inadequate example and confusion about the domain and target value (see above comments). Two or three different concrete examples here would be very useful, can some of you please help to clarify this proposal so it can move forward? ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I added an example. Again from TED, but it is an initiative presented in a TED talk, not a TED talk presented in a TED event (that would be an incorrect use of this property, in my opinion). Jane023 (talk) 14:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Jane023: A) Don't delete the existing example. B) The example you added isn't within the domain. ChristianKl (✉) 23:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

OK thanks for the clarification. I withdraw my support, since I don't believe we need a an event to be "presented at" an event, though it may be "part of" an event. Jane023 (talk) 09:29, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

•  Support − part of (P361) would not work very well for scientific papers. Because of its inverse constraint it would call for has part(s) (P527) statements on the event item, which would not very well for large conferences where hundreds of papers are presented. − Pintoch (talk) 08:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

@ChristianKl, Jsamwrites, PKM, Fuzheado, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2:@Marsupium, NMaia, Doc James, Mahir256, Jane023:@JakobVoss, Jura1, ArthurPSmith, Pintoch:  Done --Micru (talk) 07:55, 19 April 2018 (UTC)