Wikidata:Property proposal/athletics program
athletics program[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports
Motivation[edit]
Currently, most of our pages for college and university sports clubs/athletic programs/etc. (this concept has a bunch of names, so aliases will be important, but it's referring to the entities that encompass all sports at an institution, not individual teams for specific sports) are linked to their institution, but almost no higher education institutions have a corresponding link back to their sports program. The only existing way I could think of to do this would be to use represented by (P1875) (as far as I'm aware, no items actually do this). However, I think this would be insufficient, as that property is configured to be used for things like talent agencies representing models, and the relationship between an institution's athletics program and the institution itself is very different than the relationship between a model and an agency. A sports program doesn't just represent the university as a client; it's a component of the university and fulfills many functions unrelated to representation. Just as university infoboxes (at least on en-WP) have a field for the sports program, I think we ought to have a property for it here, so that this type of information can be easily represented. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 03:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Oh, I see that there is a potentially related proposal above by IagoQnsi that isn't really faring too well. Perhaps this will do better. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 03:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Higher education. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- The other proposal by IagoQnsi is Wikidata:Property proposal/represented in sport by. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Support I support this because the examples for universities work. The other proposal was said to apply to countries also. Besides universities though, could this apply in other contexts in a comparable way? Examples? If it is just universities then it still works. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:05, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Some high schools might have a distinct enough athletics program that they could make use of this as well. That's the only other instance that occurs to me. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- High school works too. Should this property be called "academic athletics program" to prevent confusion and misuse from application to other situations, like countries and cities? If there is not an obvious alternative for querying the educational sports sector then this seems like it should apply to hundreds of universities and thousands of high schools. I am especially curious about what this could turn up outside the United States, which I think has the strongest tradition of combining large-scale sports and education. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support, an important property for sports.--Arbnos (talk) 18:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Comment somehow the label seems suboptimal. "athletics program" on educational institutions suggests one or several curriculums/a in some sports. "sports teams" seems closer to the sample values. --- Jura 08:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- It definitely gets tricky, as there's regional variation, and also the potential to confuse individual sports teams (e.g. Georgetown Hoyas men's basketball (Q5547005)) with the institution's entire athletics program (e.g. Georgetown Hoyas (Q3141652)). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Somehow the label should give an indication of the expected values. All three current samples are instances of university and college sports club (Q2367225). So "has <label of that item>" would be technically close. --- Jura 05:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps "has school sports program"? That'll cover any high schools that might end up in the mix. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Somehow the label should give an indication of the expected values. All three current samples are instances of university and college sports club (Q2367225). So "has <label of that item>" would be technically close. --- Jura 05:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- It definitely gets tricky, as there's regional variation, and also the potential to confuse individual sports teams (e.g. Georgetown Hoyas men's basketball (Q5547005)) with the institution's entire athletics program (e.g. Georgetown Hoyas (Q3141652)). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support, Notified participants of WikiProject Sports — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 12:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Support, I support. --Erokhin (talk) 05:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @MisterSynergy, ArthurPSmith, Mahir256, Amadalvarez, Gymnicus: because you gave your opinion on this proposal that is related to this one, could you give your opinion about this new proposal? Pamputt (talk) 17:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Thanks for the ping. I don't have a strong opinion, but it does feel like another unnecessary inverse property. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
OpposeThanks, @Pamputt for invitation. Probably I don't know too much about this kind of clubs. However, what's the difference with the traditional clubs use: parent club (P831) (going up) & has part(s) (P527) (going down) ?. See FC Barcelona (Q3091261), the organization & FC Barcelona (Q7156), the football team. I don't think that we need a different ontology for the same kind of structure. Salut ! Amadalvarez (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- It would not make semantic sense to describe a university as the "parent club" of its athletics program, since a university is not itself a sports club. Regarding has part(s) (P527), universities often have many constituent parts, e.g. their art museum, so that would be a much less specific way to describe the relationship that'd be much harder (likely impossible in practical terms) to incorporate into Wikipedia infoboxes. This property has been marked ready for several weeks, so I'd appreciate if a sysop could go ahead and create it. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 22:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Sdkb, Bluerasberry, Arbnos, Jura1, MasterRus21thCentury, Erokhin: @MisterSynergy, ArthurPSmith, Mahir256, Amadalvarez, Gymnicus, Pamputt: Notified participants of WikiProject Higher education Notified participants of WikiProject Sports
Done as athletics program (P10607). UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 02:08, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
