Wikidata:Property proposal/represented in sport by

represented in sport by

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports

   Not done

Description	entity which represents this item in sport
Data type	Item
Example 1	United States of America (Q30) → United States Soccer Federation (Q222131)
Example 2	United States of America (Q30) → United States Olympic & Paralympic Committee (Q1418438)
Example 3	Duke University (Q168751) → Duke Blue Devils (Q2907160)
See also	represented by (P1875), represents (P1268)

Motivation

The existing "represented by" property seems to focus on talent agents and such, and wouldn't seem to include relationships like the examples I've listed. That said, perhaps that property's scope could be expanded. I have no strong feelings either way; I just want to establish a clear way to represent this type of relationship. IagoQnsi (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

• I think a property in the inverse direction would be preferable, i.e. something like United States Soccer Federation (Q222131) <represents> United States of America (Q30). The country items are already overloaded with plenty of things, and this sort of information is more important to the organizations than to the countries. I think currently country (P17) is being used instead of <represents>, but that is clearly not ideal either. At this point I am not sure whether I would support an approach inverse to this proposal, but I'm going to watch how this develops. —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment It could be interesting to have some sort of way to provide a geographic breakdown for organizations. Similar to youth wing (P4379). --- Jura 17:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose I agree with MisterSynergy this would be better in the reverse direction; however the reverse relations already exist on the examples (either country (P17) or owned by (P127)) so I don't think a property for this is needed at all. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Arthur. Mahir256 (talk) 20:51, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

•  Oppose Agree with previous comments. Amadalvarez (talk) 21:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose I agree with the previous speakers. I would also support MisterSynergy's proposed property “represents”. --Gymnicus (talk) 13:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment I might support with development. I do not think this should apply to countries because the sports teams are such a small part of a country's profile. I do think that the concept applies well to universities where sports is a much more prominent part of the public image and experience. Besides universities I am unsure where this would apply. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@IagoQnsi, MisterSynergy, Jura1, ArthurPSmith, Mahir256: @Amadalvarez, Gymnicus, Bluerasberry:  Not done I think it’s safe to say that (after three months of discussion) this property has no viable path to reach consensus. --Emu (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)