Wikidata:Property proposal/CREPČ IDs

CREPČ IDs

CREPČ person ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: CREPČ person ID (P10076) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a person in the Slovak bibliographic database Centrálny register evidencie publikačnej činnosti
Represents	CREPČ (Q107926341)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[0-9A-F]{26}
Example 1	Lukáš Jeník (Q107927245) → 502CD2BEFE4C860B001D18E448
Example 2	Dagmar Inštitorisová (Q19601789) → 0E8977C560C30076191C2DC9C9
Example 3	Libuša Franková (Q12770347) → 5B91E22B52137C4AAD3E3B1B1D
Source	https://app.crepc.sk/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	Mix'n'match
Number of IDs in source	270434 (growing)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://app.crepc.sk/?fn=detailAutorForm&sid=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	CREPČ (Q107926341)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058)

CREPČ institution ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: CREPČ institution ID (P10075) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for an institution in the Slovak bibliographic database Centrálny register evidencie publikačnej činnosti
Represents	CREPČ (Q107926341)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	organization (Q43229)
Allowed values	[0-9A-F]{24}
Example 1	Slovak University of Technology in Bratislava (Q1778355) → BE900B18EDFBB358B1B11D3D
Example 2	HK Dukla Trenčín (Q1031929) → 8541CC7602DFC0660B651516
Example 3	Slovak Academy of Sciences (Q1050317) → 1511DEF84C6E0CD6215BC51A
Source	https://app.crepc.sk/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	Mix'n'match
Number of IDs in source	38767 (growing)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://app.crepc.sk/?fn=detailInstitutionForm&sid=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	CREPČ (Q107926341)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058)

Motivation

Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC) Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits Jneubert (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Sic19 (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Wikidelo (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC) PKM (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Ettorerizza (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 03:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC) Epìdosis (talk) 23:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC) Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Bargioni (talk) 09:48, 02 May 2020 (UTC) Carlobia (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Pablo Busatto (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Matlin (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Msuicat (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC) Uomovariabile (talk) 10:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Silva Selva (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC) 1-Byte (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC) Alessandra.Moi (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC) CamelCaseNick (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC) Songceci (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)]] moz (talk) 10:48, 8 March 2021 (UTC) AhavaCohen (talk) 14:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC) Kolja21 (talk) 17:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC) RShigapov (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Jason.nlw (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC) MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 20:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Newt713 (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC) Pierre Tribhou (talk) 08:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC) Powerek38 (talk) 17:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC) Ahatd (talk) 08:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC) JordanTimothyJames (talk) 00:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC) --Silviafanti (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC) Back ache (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2022 (UTC) AfricanLibrarian (talk) M.roszkowski (talk) 10:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Rhagfyr (talk) 19:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC) — Haseeb (talk) 13:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC) 沈澄心✉ 13:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC) MrBenjo (talk) 15:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC) S.v.Mering (talk)

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Slovak national bibliographic database of editorial activity by Slovak university; it contains high quality data about Slovak researches and institutions (mainly research institutions), plus data about researchers and research institutions outside Slovakia which have collaborated with Slovak ones. Epìdosis 13:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC) P.S. Entities have two identifiers, one ID of a few numbers and a SID of 24 hexa characters, respectively 26 hexa characters, both numbers and capital letters; I have proposed the SID, since it is presented as "trvalý odkaz" ("permanent link")

Discussion

•  Support —Eihel (talk) 14:28, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
•  Support —Kolja21 (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Jneubert (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 23:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Jklamo (talk) 16:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose seems to be two properties for the same identifier. --- Jura 08:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

  @Jura1: Not sure what you mean: there are many similar cases (e.g. P7035 and P7036; P8122 and P8123; P6715 and P8356 and P8357; P9015 and P9016 and P9017 and P9018 and P9019; etc.). Which formatter URL would a single property have? --Epìdosis 10:52, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

  • Not sure if I was clear.
    The first sample you gave are two distinct types of identifiers: TuttoCalciatori.net coach ID (P7035) is numeric and TuttoCalciatori.net player ID (P7036) is a string.
    Here the values have the same format and are unique across both proposals. It happens once in a while that we create the several properties for the same identifier and eventually delete them. Sample: Property:P8510, Property:P9099, Property:P9127. --- Jura 11:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

  • @Jura1: Yes, first example wasn't in fact pertinent. But I think the case is very similar to the other examples: the IDs have the same format, but the formatter URL is different; it seems a common practice to create different IDs in such cases. Could you give a unique formatter URL which would unify the two proposals? --Epìdosis 12:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

  • Even DLL Catalog author ID (P8122) and DLL Catalog work ID (P8123) seem distinct (Annn and Wnnn) even though one property could probably handle both. That not all properties are defined in an ideal way or that a formatter url appears or disappears isn't that important. "CREPČ person ID" is really "CREPČ ID for persons". --- Jura 12:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

  • @Jura1: Would you then propose https://app.crepc.sk/?fn=detail$1 as formatter URL and IDs like "AutorForm&sid=502CD2BEFE4C860B001D18E448" or "InstitutionForm&sid=BE900B18EDFBB358B1B11D3D"? In my opinion, this would mean storing not-so-useful parts as IDs and would not allow using value-type constraint (unless through complex constraints), thus making the identifier less simple for users adding it. --Epìdosis 15:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
  • I think you got the identifier values correctly formatted ([0-9A-F]{24}). It's possible that a formatter url is currently not available or we don't known it. --- Jura 19:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC) Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits Jneubert (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Sic19 (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Wikidelo (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC) PKM (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Ettorerizza (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 03:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC) Epìdosis (talk) 23:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC) Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Bargioni (talk) 09:48, 02 May 2020 (UTC) Carlobia (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Pablo Busatto (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Matlin (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Msuicat (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC) Uomovariabile (talk) 10:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Silva Selva (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC) 1-Byte (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC) Alessandra.Moi (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC) CamelCaseNick (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC) Songceci (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)]] moz (talk) 10:48, 8 March 2021 (UTC) AhavaCohen (talk) 14:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC) Kolja21 (talk) 17:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC) RShigapov (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Jason.nlw (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC) MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 20:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Newt713 (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC) Pierre Tribhou (talk) 08:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC) Powerek38 (talk) 17:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC) Ahatd (talk) 08:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC) JordanTimothyJames (talk) 00:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC) --Silviafanti (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC) Back ache (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2022 (UTC) AfricanLibrarian (talk) M.roszkowski (talk) 10:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Rhagfyr (talk) 19:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC) — Haseeb (talk) 13:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC) 沈澄心✉ 13:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC) MrBenjo (talk) 15:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC) S.v.Mering (talk)

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control  Done

1. CREPČ institution ID (P10075)
2. CREPČ person ID (P10076)

—Eihel (talk) 01:01, 21 November 2021 (UTC) @Jklamo, Jura1: —Eihel (talk) 01:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis, Jura1: Information: More than the P1630 and the identifiers, the types of identifiers are different. In addition, the links formed are permalinks. They are completed by the type (institution, person), before and after the identifiers. Apparently the P1630s only take these forms. For example: https://app.crepc.sk/?fn=detailAutorFormChildO3CO3&sid=0E8977C560C30076191C2DC9C9&seo=CREP%C4%8C-detail-osoby, where "osoby" is only suitable for one person (for an institution, the URL takes another form). So detailAutorForm and detailInstitutionForm are clearly not part of the identifier. So I created the properties. —Eihel (talk) 01:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)