Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P7335
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Deleted values that have been removed may be found on the property talk page. Mahir256 (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
P7335 (P7335): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs | discussion)
Mixer is a streaming service that was closed 4 years ago.
- It's useless for external users because all the links are dead
- It's useless for us because Mixer basically contained no relevant information about the game (take SMITE as an example: there's game title, game logo, viewer count at random moment of time, and random lowres stream screenshots; nothing can be used in our other properties)
- The values we currently have were matched poorly with quite a few false positives. There're hundreds of constraint violations, and most of them are vurtually unsolvable because even the archived versions of the links are usually dead. For instance, both Street Racer (Q7622905) and Street Racer (Q2059628) are linked with the same 404 page
Perhaps I'm missing some services with the same ID scheme that are still alive? In this case we should probably re-arrange the property. Otherwise I don't see a good reason to keep it. —Facenapalm (talk) 12:58, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sigh, all that wasted effort really hurts Trade (talk) 14:13, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
Comment. The property was already proposed for deletion 3 years ago and I already said back then that it was completely pointless to keep such a property. I still don't understand why it was decided to keep it. Even if we have archive links, they are, as it is correctly pointed out here, almost useless. It is one thing to have a database like USgamer, which is well archived and still useful, but it is quite another to have a database like Mixer, which does not really contain any useful information for Wikidata. With such a property, we have only accumulated a great number of constraint violations. How to address them without being able to find at least some good archived copy is not clear at all. archive.today, the only site that archives JavaScript sites properly, has almost nothing (see [1] or [2], that is certainly not enough). Wayback Machine is not an option at all, as it saved a lot of links with a 404 error. The only thing left to do here is to set a deprecated rank for all values of this property with withdrawn identifier value qualifier or delete property.
- By the way, we have a similar property that also experiences a lack of archive links, but here we have a completely different story. This database unlike Mixer (which has only a game title, a logo and a low-resolution cover/screenshot) has at least some basic and more or less useful information. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I’m usually all for keeping properties for dead websites (indeed, I am planning to propose properties for websites that are already dead! ;-) ; but this is a bit of a different case. Reading back through the last deletion discussion, I do see the point of having Wikidata serving as index to the full WARC archive ; but I was never impressed with our coverage: we have hundreds of cases where the same ID is assigned to different games that happen to share the same name − for example 97266 (that 404s, oh the irony) associated with both the 1992 Flashback (Q1001925) and the 2013 Flashback (Q16267660). Not convinced this helps anyone. Jean-Fred (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Delete Above discussion seems convincing, particularly if this property was poorly matched to items to begin with. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:24, 5 September 2023 (UTC)- + Notified participants of WikiProject Video games. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 01:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as it was a service with daily updated information, not suitable for archive search. Matthias M. (talk) 13:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete In this case I think deletion is definitely warranted based on the above arguments. Nicereddy (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per Jean-Fred and Kirilloparma. —Tomodachi94 (he/him · talk) 23:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as in the comments above. Sir Lothar (talk) 14:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Every time I come across these IDs - there are only 404 page archived each time. In some cases, the IDs are placed in the wrong version of the game and there is no way to fix it. It would certainly be interesting to see how many IDs are actually archived game pages rather than 404s. But it doesn't seem to be worth the effort. Solidest (talk) 12:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
