Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P10628

Property:P10628

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Delete and replace with coordinate location (P625) Multichill (talk) 15:39, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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P10628 (P10628): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

We normally use coordinate location (P625) for coordinates on multiple globes, and this is how the use of coordinates is implemented on multiple Wikimedia projects. Having a separate property for Martian coordinates just confuses things, and it isn't necessary. The main issue about not being able to select the coordinate globe via the UI is at phab:T56097 - and supporting work on that ticket would be much more useful than having a separate property for this. I can offer bot support to migrate existing uses of this property over to coordinate location (P625) with the correct globe. Thanks. —Mike Peel (talk) 20:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Furthermore, it seems that the support the proposal received was largely from editors that the nominator blatantly canvassed, and that valid objections were overlooked. And that proposal was only made after Wikidata:Property proposal/planetary coordinates was rejected with only a single supporter. The objectors on the original proposal were not pinged when the second one was made; and neither were the relevant projects (who were pinged for the first proposal). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
•  Keep at LEAST until the UI issue is fixed. And can you please explain "this is how the use of coordinates is implemented on multiple Wikimedia projects"? Specific examples would be nice. When we were looking at this earlier the Commons UI for example was quite confused about Martian coordinates with P625. Distinguishing between different globes with the properties is helpful for constraints and for any end-use application that doesn't know about or care to check globe - the vast majority of P625's are for Earth and don't require that check. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  @ArthurPSmith: Waiting until the UI issue is fixed is OK, but I'm worried that more of these are being created over time? Please at least comment on the phab ticket to help make its importance clear? For use on other Wikimedia projects, just look at the uses of coordinate location (P625). In particular, P625 is used in "coord" templates on Wikipedias, and in the Commons infobox, but this property is not. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Mike Peel: "just look at the uses of coordinate location (P625)" - can you be clearer - how does one do this? Post a link? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:33, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  @ArthurPSmith: Go to the talk page, search for "This property is being used by:", click 'Expand'. Wish that were easier to link to! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Mike Peel: Got it, thanks. That's a lot of templates, but the vast majority wouldn't apply to non-Earth objects, right? How many of them correctly handle the globe component? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:43, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Pigsonthewing, ArthurPSmith, Mike Peel: I have created a gadget to display and change the globe for P625. Add the following line to your Special:Mypage/common.js page: importScript("User:Bamyers99/CoordGlobe.js"); Clicking the globe name will display a dialog with a list of globes to choose from. Here is a query [1] of some items to try it out on. --Bamyers99 (talk) 13:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Bamyers99: That is very nice, thanks. Hmm, I guess I really can't complain about this being missing in the UI now. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

  Nice script; thank you. I'm seeing lots of cases of features with located on astronomical body (P376) set to another body, but with the coordinates' globe set to "Earth". Is that something a bot could fix? @Mike Peel: Something for PiBot? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:31, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  @Pigsonthewing: Good idea, coded up and permission to run it requested at Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 26. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  Also related: Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 27, copy from globe to located on astronomical body (P376) (except for Earth). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

  @Bamyers99: Please add Charon (Q6604), as used on Cora (Q98456355). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  Charon has been added. The original list came from Wikibase.default.php the globeUris variable and is what the GeoData extension supports. --Bamyers99 (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  @Bamyers99: It would be good to get that list updated. I've started phab:T314611. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  Outstanding, Bamyers99, I've been hoping for a tool like this for years. Thank you. Given this creation, I see no reason for P10628 (P10628) or lunar coordinates (BEING REPLACED) (P8981). — Huntster (t @ c) 16:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Ok, I've slashed out my "vote keep" above - I'm still not entirely comfortable deleting since I do see other reasons to have separate properties here, but I don't feel strongly about it now either way, given the UI solution we have now. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, per the requester's arguments and the ones I gave when opposing the creation of this and similar properties. Toni 001 (talk) 06:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Replace

I see clear consensus to delete P10628 (P10628) and replace it with coordinate location (P625). @Mike Peel: do you have a bot to do that? Multichill (talk) 15:39, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for closing it. I should be able to migrate values over soon. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Multichill: Update: I can copy over the values fine, but I can't currently figure out how to copy over any qualifier or sources at the same time, and quite a few seem to have a reference. Perhaps @Jura1: could do this more easily, since it looks like they moved the values over from P625 in the first place? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: I only see five left now to do by hand. Multichill (talk) 16:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Multichill: Ah, I was mostly focusing on lunar coordinates (BEING REPLACED) (P8981), which has a few thousand. I'll clear through these ones by hand now, but ~2k is a few too many to do that with. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

OK, this one now has no uses left, and is ready to be deleted. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:01, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

It seems indeed there is absolutely no P10628 statements for the time being : https://w.wiki/5v9j Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 14:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

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