User talk:Mike Peel/Archive 7

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Linking articles to items

Hi Mike, in en:Ruy Finch the author had linked the authority control template to Ruy Herbert Finch (Q112550643) via a parameter |qid=Q112550643, but PiBot created a new item Ruy Herbert Finch (Q118143471) which then had to be merged. Would it be possible or beneficial to see if there are any |qid= parameters in the article before deciding to create a new item? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@MSGJ: It would be better if the authors properly linked the item to Wikidata... I have scripts that could do this, but they'd need a tracking category of items using the parameter without having the sitelink, do you know if one exists or could be set up? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Merging items

Hi Mike I’m trying to merge Q6149322 with Q4242711 but the tool says there’s a conflicting language description. I don’t want to start messing around as I don’t really know my way around wikidata. Would you mind taking a look when you have a moment please? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 07:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mccapra: Odd, it merged fine for me. Are you using the merge gadget? (preferences -> gadgets -> "Merge: This script adds a tool for merging items.", then it appears top-right)? Anyhow, done. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
great many thanks. Mccapra (talk) 12:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Atticora

Hi Mike - could you please stop pi bot from removing the Commons link from Atticora; the genus page needs a link to Commons. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 12:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@MPF: No, the Commons category link goes on the category item. Otherwise it breaks links from, e.g., en:Category:Atticora. It's also now causing a red error message over at commons:Category:Atticora. Why/where is it causing you a problem? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Because it means there is no link to, or from, Atticora on Commons to other sites like Wikispecies, and no pickup of various language names on Commons, either; the page is left orphaned and dead. This problem does crop up occasionally, but doesn't happen in most other cases (e.g. there's no similar problem with Atticora fasciata). What's really needed is to make it possible to have the Commons link linked from both the genus page here, and the category here - but if you try to do that, the edit doesn't work. The whole setup here doesn't seem to realise that categories on Commons have different purpose to categories on wikipedias; they are not equivalent or equal. - MPF (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
@MPF: That sounds odd, are you sure you're not looking at a cached version? The bot's moved the sitelink back now, and visiting commons:Category:Atticora I see the links to Wikipedia and Wikispecies in the infobox, possibly not in the sidebar though (I'm running vector-2022 there). Common names also seem to be working OK there (auto-hidden in the infobox, but expandable). Can you have another look and let me know if you're still seeing the problem? I've worked a lot using the infobox to avoid exactly this sort of issue... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! No, I did a purge, so I'm looking at the most up-to-date version. There's still no Commons link in the 'Multilingual sites' section on the right (double-checked just now), and there needs to be one there, so one can access the Commons category from the wikidata Atticora (Q647306). I suspect what needs to be done is a wholesale change in policy, so that the 'Multilingual sites' section can include links to both the Commons Gallery, and the Commons Category, on both the wikidata page and the wikidata category page; it really is absurd that that's not allowed at the moment. The Wikispecies link at Commons:Category:Atticora is only showing because it includes the manually added link {{Wikispecies}} (that of course applies throughout Commons, and always has done). At least the VN at the Commons category is now showing the VN links, which it wasn't before, so that part of the problem at least is solved. - MPF (talk) 19:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Backlog

Hello Mike, currently, the number of unconnected articles increases again on enwiki:

Does Pi bot also (re)connect articles, which have been moved from the user/draft namespace into the article namespace? In the last weeks I have seen several articles, where Pi bot created a object, which have been moved to Draft namespace and back to article namespace again, but not have been reconnected by Pi bot., so they have to be connected manually.

Examples:

Backlog for people:

M2k~dewiki (talk) 13:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, it should be running... I'll have another look soon. I'm also still traveling, will resume normal bot service hopefully from next month onwards. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Merged duplicate item

Hi @Mike Peel, your bot created Mycosphere Online: Journal of Fungal Biology (Q115802882) which its a duplicate of Mycosphere Online: Journal of Fungal Biology (Q15816854). Not sure what rules your bot uses to decide if a new Wikidata item is needed, but for journals because checking ISSN (P236) would have enabled the bot to discover that there already was an article for this journal. Rdmpage (talk) 08:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rdmpage: Thanks for merging the items. At that time the bot was just creating items for new articles after 14 days. It now only does that for articles without a possible search match in Wikidata - those matches are in this Wikidata game. Once all potential matches for an article are cleared in the game, then it will create a new item. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:48, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
@Mike PeelThanks for the link to the game, looks fun. There are so many cool tools out there that I nothing about. Rdmpage (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Error on the Distributed Game

Hi, @Mike Peel, i just tried the New Wikipedia article and category matches-Game and its great! ...but it produces an error when selecting a specific language. My guess is that it doesn't find entries - with "all", i get english, simple, and maybe more, "english" selects english, "simple" selects simple, and german produces an error, so does Italiano, while francais and espanol work (though i needed occasional reloads). But hey, thats just the bug report - thanks a lot for the great idea and the cool tool! Korrupt (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@Korrupt: I'm glad you're enjoying it. :-) I think the error happens when it runs out of tiles - German in particular has many other activities that match up new articles there with Wikipedia, so it's rare to be able to load them into the game. I'll double-check that it is loading other languages OK, though. BTW, I can also easily add other languages, if there are any of particular interest. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
@Korrupt: unconnected german articles can be found at
Similar links are available for othter languages.
I am using User:M2k~dewiki/Tools/Create_Objects to connect resp. create objects to/for unconnected articles in various languages and User:M2k~dewiki/Tools/Enrich Objects to enrich existing objects with additional properties. M2k~dewiki (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
@Mike Peel, that was the assumption - if there are simply no objects to connect, it would be better IMO when the game tells me so - the error message suggests that there may be objects to connect, but the tool won't work. Sth. like "All done! Nothing to connect here!" maybe? :)
@M2k~dewiki saw this on the greeting message lately. Thanks, and i'll dig into it. Again, sorry for no reaction, i really assumed that it was a bot edit :/ Korrupt (talk) 06:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
@Korrupt: I thought that's what the distributed game did automatically ... Sorry, but I have no control over that, I just pass the tool tiles and accept the responses. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:26, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Ah, ok. Got it. Sorrya for the distraction then and thanks again! Korrupt (talk) 06:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Pi Bot thinks they are dead?

Why does pibot keep marking this person as dead? See [1]. It has been reverted multiple times. I assume it's importing the information from some wikipedia but it isn't importing a reference so I have no idea where the error is. I even checked all the Wikipedias and none of them list this death date. Would it be possible for pibot to set references? Thanks. BrokenSegue (talk) 06:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@BrokenSegue: It was coming in from simplewiki, fixed. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Sajad Mehrabi (Q119625091)

Hi Mike,

from which sources does Pi bot create such items? I is unfortunate that the English name is copied to German. In languages like Arab, Persian or Russian the German states uses a different transliteration system.-- U. M. Owen (talk) 11:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@U. M. Owen: The script is creating new items for biographies from some Wikipedias (simple, it, es, en, fr, pt at the moment), and also imports a bit of basic info from the articles. It's the "wir_" scripts at [2] - primarily 'wir_newpages.py' - if you want to have a look at the code. If you change the translations on Wikidata, Pi bot won't override them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
It's not necessary to set them in first place – please disable them for German.--U. M. Owen (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
@U. M. Owen: Why is it not necessary for German - do you have another process for filling them in? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Pi bot stopped on 25th?

Hello Mike,

it seems, that Pi bot stopped creating items on 25th of June:

M2k~dewiki (talk) 11:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Thanks for the note, it's running again now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Please do not declare people dead without any source!

Please review this and add a proper source or remove it: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q434027&diff=prev&oldid=1931993462 --178.9.208.88 11:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

It came from the simple wikipedia article, which has since been deleted. I've removed the statement from the Wikidata item. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Spermestes

Hi Mike - Spermestes (Q1290764) is now left orphaned without any link to Commons, because your pi bot removed it. Could you add a link to Commons to it, please! Thanks - MPF (talk) 11:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@MPF: this is working as expected. You need to follow through to the topic's main category (P910) link to see the Commons category. This is done automatically through the templates on Wikipedias and Commons when they are displaying info from Wikidata. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Is there really no way of having a direct link? Seems utterly ridiculous not to! - MPF (talk) 21:04, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
@MPF: The link is there, you might need to switch between Spermestes (Q1290764) and Category:Spermestes (Q32577901) to see it directly, but Commons category (P373) does also display it directly. The link is displayed automatically on other wikis (automatically following the links between the two items). It might be worth having a gadget here that makes the link more obvious, but this really is working as expected. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Lower case conversion in imported description

Hi! This description shouldn’t have been converted to lower case – Vienna is a proper name, so it should be written upper case here on Wikidata as well. Maybe you could some sort of heuristics to determine whether an imported description should be converted to lower case? While in most cases it should, in cases where it shouldn’t (proper names, nationalities/languages etc.), it’s a spelling mistake to do so, which is a more serious issue than the opposite (i.e. not lower-casing in cases where it should happen – that’s just against a Wikidata guideline, not against spelling conventions). —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: Thanks, added to the exception list at User:Pi bot/lowercase exceptions. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:54, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Spermestes

Hi Mike - Spermestes (Q1290764) is now left orphaned without any link to Commons, because your pi bot removed it. Could you add a link to Commons to it, please! Thanks - MPF (talk) 11:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@MPF: this is working as expected. You need to follow through to the topic's main category (P910) link to see the Commons category. This is done automatically through the templates on Wikipedias and Commons when they are displaying info from Wikidata. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Is there really no way of having a direct link? Seems utterly ridiculous not to! - MPF (talk) 21:04, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
@MPF: The link is there, you might need to switch between Spermestes (Q1290764) and Category:Spermestes (Q32577901) to see it directly, but Commons category (P373) does also display it directly. The link is displayed automatically on other wikis (automatically following the links between the two items). It might be worth having a gadget here that makes the link more obvious, but this really is working as expected. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! I realise this is 'working as expected'; what it isn't, is working usefully. It is a tiresome extra click-through to have to find the link to switch between Spermestes (Q1290764) and Category:Spermestes (Q32577901); and Commons category (P373) is not over with the other links in the right-hand column; further, with taxa with extensive vernacular names, references, etc., getting to Commons category (P373) can involve scrolling half-way to Australia: again, tiresome, not where logic expects it to be, not easy to find, and can cause repetitive strain injuries. The problem is that categories on Commons serve a different function to categories on wikipedias; on Commons, the category is the go-to place to find things, not the gallery page (which are largely obsolete and all but useless); on wikipedias, the page is the go-to place to find things, not the category. So a Commons category is equivalent in usage to a wikipedia page, and a direct link between them is needed in the right-hand list of links. The optimal solution would be to scrap the rule that categories can only link to categories, and pages only to pages, and to allow each wikidata item to carry two Commons links, one to the category, one to (if it exists) the gallery. Can this not be arranged? - MPF (talk) 22:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
@MPF: I understand. I even suggested having two Commons links in an item a while ago, but from conversations since then I understand it's technically not possible because one-sitelink-per-item is really built into Wikidata. Searching for 'Commons' in items might prevent excess scrolling. I would support getting rid of Commons galleries completely, but others object to that. I think the best solution would be to find someone who knows Javascript and could write a gadget that would show the second Commons sitelink found through topic's main category (P910) - maybe someone like @1Veertje, Husky: could help? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Many thanks! Good to know the problem is at least understood :-) Hope something can be sorted eventually! - MPF (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

French config of wir_newpages.py

Thanks for your incredibly useful script. I'm always surprised to see that a newly created page I'm patrolling on already has a wikidata item that was freshly created by your bot.

Could it be possible to improve its French config? Here is a change suggestion: https://github.com/mpeel/wikicode/pull/11

Thanks! -Framawiki (please notify !) (talk) 22:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Framawiki: Thanks for the pull request! Change accepted, let's see how that goes. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Coaches and managers of women's association football clubs

I've noticed that the Pi bot assumes that anyone in a category for coaches of women's footballers is a woman. Could this be added to your list of items that need checking from time to time, please? Oronsay (talk) 04:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@Oronsay: I've tweaked the code so that "women's" doesn't enter into the gender calculation, let's see how that goes. If you see it mis-gendering others, please revert the edit, and I'll get an email alert and will look into it further. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, @Mike Peel. I'll try remember to revert any mis-gendering via View history in future so that you get notified, rather than just removing and adding. Oronsay (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Please restore Q121355942

As I mentioned in the AFD request Brooke O'Hanley is redlinked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_Courage and so passes Wikidata notability, additional source https://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/2002/2002_06_28.ohanley.html "O'Hanley beats the odds by earning a job with Carolina Courage can becoming the only player to join WUSA without being drafted" Piecesofuk (talk) 08:36, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@Piecesofuk: Ah, I missed the discussion after the deletion nomination, and all I saw in the article history was my bot's edits. Restored, but please add references and expand Brooke O'Hanley (Q121355942)! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, I've updated and added references. Piecesofuk (talk) 18:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Mismatch Finder

Hello @Mike Peel, I hope you're doing well. I came across the mismatch finder while patrolling an item where an inspect button was there and in the update info your name was mentioned. I believe I fixed 2 items but I dont find them in my contribution or logs. Why is it so? Or how does this mismatch finder works. Thanks, hope to here from you soon. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 05:24, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): is the person to ask. (I've just been loading mismatches into the system.) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Yeah if you only mark the mismatch in the Mismatch Finder then nothing will happen on Wikidata. The marking in the Mismatch Finder is just to make sure we don't show the mismatch to another person. You still need to make the edit in Wikidata if you have found a mismatch that is caused by an error in Wikidata. This unfortunately needs to be done this way as we don't have a way to know how exactly the correct data should look like in a way that can easily be put into Wikidata without human intervention. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) Got it, find, fix and mark the mismatch resolved. Great tool by the way. Thanks Mike Peel for adding the mismatches. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 12:49, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

tegart fort location

As a subclass, tegart fort (Q1156360) should not have geographical coords, but User:pi_bot is adding them back after I removed them. Vicarage (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vicarage: As the edit summary says, the bot's importing it from enwiki, the solution is to remove it there - now done. BTW, if you revert an edit by Pi bot like [3] then I get an email and I check it out. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:54, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Have you changed Pi bot to create new items immediately from Wikipedia pages?

I noticed that Pi bot created Q122978345 at 20:00, 8 October 2023, from the simplewiki page created at 19:10, 8 October 2023‎. It also created Q122978044 at 19:00, 8 October 2023‎, from the simplewiki page created at 18:31, 8 October 2023‎. These are likely spam pages, and this isn't enough time to allow users to connect a page to an existing item. I thought the bot was supposed to wait two weeks before creating them? Kk.urban (talk) 00:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: It hasn't changed. There are two main scripts that are running, one waits two weeks (or longer now if there's "type"%3A"simple"} a match waiting for review in the game). The other looks for matches for humans that have birth years, and creates items more quickly if there are no potential matches - but will skip them if there are potential matches with no birth year. Hope that helps clarify things. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Ok. Kk.urban (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Town halls

Please Mike, don't create elements (Ayuntamiento de la Villa de Candelaria (Q113574094)) with both town hall and city council. That does not exist. One thing is the institution and another thing is the building. You wrote to me, I thought it was to reach an agreement and instead you undid my edits, but without having given me a reason for it. A city council is an institution that may have one headquarters today and another tomorrow. The coordinate must be in the town hall and the city council have a property that points to it (headquarters location (P159)), as is being done in all cases, except those that you are adding. Please don't continue like this. Vanbasten 23 (talk) 13:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vanbasten 23: Feel free to split the items if you prefer, it's the removal of information from Wikidata that I object to, particularly where that information is in use (in this case, coordinates in infoboxes on Commons). I understand the abstraction between institution and building, but 99% of the time they are the same thing in practice. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't agree at all with what you say. The institution is usually much larger and pays for several offices and levels. It is a common error that is repeated in Commons, but rarely in Wikidata, until now. If it's okay with you then I separate them, which is the right thing to do. Take care. --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 13:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
@Vanbasten 23: I'm OK with you separating them, if this is an important issue for you, but checking back, I see you're still just removing useful data? Mike Peel (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Aah, no, I see - you're creating the new item, but not moving the Commons category across to the right item. Mike Peel (talk) 19:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I found a problem I didn't expect. And it is the fact that in Commons there is quite a mix of categories between town halls and city council... I must to change the names i think... Thanks. --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 20:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Could you please check Pi bot status ?

Hello Mike, could you please check Pi bot, if it is working properly creating resp. connection articles for the english language wikipedia for biografical articles? From my point of view, today there is more manual work than usual for all the entries Pi bot leaves out (besides from articles moved from the draft namespace and entries Pi bot cannot decided, that a wikidata item already exists). Thanks a lot! M2k~dewiki (talk) 22:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Maybe it is just because maybe more articles are moved from the draft namespace into the article namespace:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: I'm traveling at the moment, so can't easily check. It should work through articles moved from the draft space the same as it would any new article. However, I recently changed parts of the code so that it puts most candidate matches through the Wikidata game first (an exception being some biographies), and only creates new items when there are no candidate matches left. I guess move-from-drafts are more likely to have candidate matches that need checking. Could you have a look at the game and see if the cases you're finding are appearing there? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:07, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: Looking at [4] it seems to be working OK. See how it goes, and let me know if problems seem to be continuing? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Template:Watchlist summary/PFD

Hello Mike, your bot might not be correctly archiving all closed properties for deletion at Template:Watchlist summary/PFD - Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P10241 is still included even though it was archived months ago. Can you please have a look what went wrong there? Thanks Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 09:28, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

hmm, that should link to Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P10241/2, will see if I can improve that in the code sometime soon. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't know that the property was nominated for deletion again. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 12:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Mike Peel/Archive 7

FYI: Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump#Connecting_new_pages_to_wikidata? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Pi bot and individual animals

Pi bot seems to treat animals as people. I don't know how often this occurs and whether it's all animals or just cats, but I assume it's a straightforward fix. —Xezbeth (talk) 08:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Anna Barnacka (Q58371795) and Anna Barnacka (Q112039743)

The same person. 77.1.149.183 12:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Pi bot and television seasons

If you are creating items from television season wikipedia articles, you always add the title of the series as title of the item. So something like "FBI (season 5)" becomes "FBI" at Wikidata. Could you correct this behaviour? Ideal would be to create something like "FBI, season 5", but even "FBI (season 5)" as a title would be better than only "FBI". Because if you are searching for the series item in tools like tabernacle, these items in the style of "FBI" pollute the search. I already made this SPARQL query https://w.wiki/8PKb to correct your mistakes using QuickStatements, but the better way would be not to create these mistakes from the beginning. Thanks. CENNOXX (talk) 12:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@CennoxX: The bot removes the title text that is in brackets from the label it saves to Wikidata since they are normally disambiguation or similar phrases. It would be tricky to add an exception for this case. If you're interested, the code that creates these items is at [5] - pull requests are welcome. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
I've added a PR here: https://github.com/mpeel/wikicode/pull/15 CENNOXX (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
@CennoxX: Thanks! That looks good, merged to live. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Label and link

Today I've noticed a couple of items from enwiki that have labels and links but no statements. For example, Judy Freespirit and Charles Crismon. I have added statements to both. Perhaps there were no categories on enwiki when the Bot made its pass? Just raising this FYI. Oronsay (talk) 23:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Oronsay: Yup, without categories nor an infobox, there's not much the bot can do as it's currently coded. The code that is run here is at wir_newpages.py (and "wir_" variants on the same repository) - pull requests to improve it are welcome. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:49, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, @Mike Peel. Just as I assumed. Oronsay (talk) 18:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for butting in here, @Oronsay. I just checked Judy Freespirit on the English Woikipedia and I see that Category:American feminists was added on Dec 3, I think? Just curious Ottawahitech (talk) 17:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech: Pi bot still didn't recognise it as a biography, adding 'Living people' or birth/death years would have caused the bot to add more info in this case, I think. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Pi bot co-ordinates for vessel classes

Pi bot is repeatedly adding a co-ordinate location to Oruç Reis-class submarine (Q1262069), which is inappropriate for a vessel class. Could you adjust the bot to skip it? Vicarage (talk) 19:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

ditto Grampus-class submarine (Q1785063) Vicarage (talk) 19:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
@Vicarage: The bot states in the edit summary that it's importing the coordinates from enwiki. I've now removed the coordinates from there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Commons category or other sites?

I see that you add Commons categories as "Other sites" (example), but I think it is more correct to add it ass "Commons category" (example). Ensahequ (talk) 13:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ensahequ: Commons category (P373) is useless - it links from Wikidata to Commons, but not the other way around. The sitelinks are much better, as they work both directions - they are what makes the Wikidata Infobox on Commons work. You may find User:Mike Peel/Commons linking useful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for Pi bot: to add a reference when importing data

Dear Mike, thank your for massively importing coordinates from Commons! Could you please add a "imported from" when your migrate a data from Commons? Like this. It is very useful to everybody to know exactly what was the source of data, and it's easy to specify it. Thank you for your preciuos work and happy new year. Marcok (talk) 12:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

@Marcok: Thanks for the message and the appreciation for Pi bot's work. The source is in the edit summary, is that not sufficient in these situations? I personally don't find imported from Wikimedia project (P143) at all useful, and I often find it confusing since it makes it look like there are references when there are no real ones. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:27, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
Edit summaries can't be queried for; are not internationalised; and require somebody to go to the history and then search down to find the edit, rather than being directly available. Jheald (talk) 21:46, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
@Jheald, Marcok: Sorry for the slow reply. Is anyone actively querying for this property? Most issues seem to be caught only a few edits later, so checking the history still doesn't seem to be too big a blocker, and I keep the edit summaries short to help non-English speakers understand the edit. I'm worried that adding these properties would either double the edit count (as currently coded) or need time to recode (which I don't have at the moment, but pull requests are welcome). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:02, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Józef Hozer. Polish professor and economist

Józef Hozer (Q107278096) and Józef Hozer (Q123952054) ... it's the same person. Regards 77.10.117.119 11:36, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Witold Łojkowski. Polish professor and engineer

Witold Łojkowski (Q91828162) and Witold Łojkowski (Q124028370) ... it's the same person. Regards 77.10.117.119 12:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge needed

Dear Mike, Igor Janev (Q1449737) and Igor R. Janev (Q124259093) it's the same person. Please, merge data. Best Regards.178.221.219.131 03:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Maksymilian Stratanowski. Polish painter

Maksymilian Stratanowski (Q85865316) and Maksymilian Stratanowski (Q104535543) ... it's the same person. Regards 95.119.77.254 12:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Pi Bot for ENWQ (2)

Hi Mike Peel/Archive 7, On 15 January 2023 (how time flies :) I posted a request here to have all unconnected articles from the English Wikiquote (enwq) added to WD by PI BOT. You asked me to obtain consensus from the enwq community, which I finally managed to obtain and posted this here on 14 November 2023.

Unfortunately since that time the number of unconnected pages has ballooned to well over 5,000. See: Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump#Connecting_new_pages_to_wikidata?. It is a shame that so much work by you, me, and others has not accomplished much, and may have even caused harm because some individuals who were doing this work manually stopped their work relying on the bot.

Is this a misunderstanding on my part? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: Well, the aim was to make the process easier, so if it has caused harm that's not good. I've just done a quick check, and there are no pending enwikiquote matches in the game, which implies they're being cleared from there. I need to double-check that they are being loaded into the game properly, though, since there do seem to be some in the unlinked list that should have matches. I also need to start the next step soon, which is bot-creating new items for pages without a match, which should then drop the backlog considerably. More soon. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Mike Peel/Archive 7, I just chose a random item from the unconnected pages list for enwq:
  • 72. Anne V. Coates
There is an existing WD item for her, and an ENWP entry, but no ENWQ entry. I also checked some newish ENWQ pages to see if they were added by PI BOT, and in all the cases I checked these pages were added to WD by a human editor. Is there an easy way to see which ENWQ page was added to WD by PI BOT last?
Thanks, and sorry if I do not follow some of your replies. I am not familiar with the geek terminology you use such as game. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech: The script loads matches into the Wikidata Game, see [6] - it doesn't try to auto-match them, humans need to work through the pending matches there. There must be something going wrong with loading them into the game, though, I'll look into this in the next few days. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech: Right, I've found the problem. The script wasn't automatically running, so the game had run out of matches to display. The script will run daily from now on, and you can find a number of matches to look through at [7]. If you log in, you'll be able to play the game. You'll see edits like [8] when you match items. Does that make sense? Next step is to start creating new items where there are no matches, I'll look into that soon. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Jerzy Bitter. Polish and US painter

Jerzy Bitter (Q124085978) and Jerzy Bitter (Q94501896) ... it's the same person. Regards 95.116.94.124 10:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Jarosław Miklasiewicz. Polish painter

Jarosław Miklasiewicz (Q11720945) and Jaroslav Miklasiewicz (Q51561491) ... it's the same person. He's given name is Jarosław, born 1948 in Poznań, Poland. Regards 95.116.143.33 23:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Jezioro Łapalickie (Łapalickie Lake). Lake in Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland.

Jezioro Łapalickie (Q35716198) and Jezioro Łapalickie (Q11727016) ... it's the same lake in Kashubian Lake District. Regards 77.3.13.90 03:32, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Sysop rights

Hi, Mike Peel, Just to let you know that I have requested removal of your sysop rights at meta due to inactivity. Thank you for all the good work you have done here as a sysop. --Lymantria (talk) 09:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@Lymantria: I'm still very active, regularly using the tools for viewing deleted contributions by my bot, but I haven't been doing so many logged actions recently. Please can you reconsider this request? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk)
Hi, I'm afraid that the inactivity policy did not leave me many options. The best case is to reapply through an RfA. --Lymantria (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Linking new articles

Hi, please make your Pi bot check for existing items before you create new items for new articles. It is no help if others have to sort out doubles and merge them afterwards. I am referring to Q124607691 / Q118323806 and Q124639230 / Q117351702. Thanks in advance -- HvW (talk) 16:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@HvW: It does - it runs a search for the article title, and any matches it finds are loaded into the Wikidata game for human review - the new item only gets created if there are no matches, or all matches have been declined in the game. However, if it can't find the items through the search, then it doesn't know about the potential matches - in these cases I think the titles were subtly different so search missed them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Then why
  1. "2024-25 snooker season" was not identified with "2024–25 snooker season"?
  2. "2024 World Mixed Doubles" was not identified with "2024 World Mixed Doubles"?
A bot could (but should not) mistake number 1 as being different but not a human, number 2 is identical for bots and humans. If it is checked by humans and the result is "different" then something is definitely going wrong. If it were only about my two examples I would say never mind, but there is nothing special about these two cases, or is there? greetings -- HvW (talk) 17:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
@HvW: Checking further, I think the dashes, and the "(snooker)" in the page title, confused it in these cases. Checking through the logs for snooker-related entries, cases like '2024 World Snooker Championship' worked fine, but nothing with (snooker) or dashes made it into the database. I can probably refactor the code soonish to remove the bracketed text before searching, dashes might be a bit more complex to handle. BTW, the code also waits for 14 days before creating the new item in the hope that someone will link it to Wikidata in that time. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts. Hope it works for the bot, if not, there is still some human intelligence on the alert ;-) -- HvW (talk) 02:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Pi bot at Q124660835

Hi, I noticed that Pi bot incorrectly created Q124660835 with French, German, Spanish, and Portuguese labels which were actually just copies of the English label. I'm not sure whether this is an issue that often occurs, given that Pi bot mostly seems to be creating items on people, but I figured you may want to know about it. Rummskartoffel (talk) 21:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Rummskartoffel: This happens when Pi bot thinks it is a biography article, which in this case seems likely from its inclusion in en:Category:2024 deaths. The trick is to find patterns that avoid these false positives. I wonder if I should exclude all articles with " of " in the title from being classified as biographies, what do you think? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 02:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense.
Excluding "of" could work, I think. It might cause some false negatives for biographies of nobles, but there probably aren't that many of them.
Another idea (if technically feasible) might be to check whether the infobox (if present) is for a person or for something else. In this case, it's Infobox event, so that check would have filtered out the article. Rummskartoffel (talk) 07:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Pi bot for humans (en-WP)

Hello Mike,

several articles older than 14 days for people from the english language wikipedia are not connected to a wikidata object, for example:

Shouldn't they be connected (if an item is existing) or created (if an item is not yet existing) by Pi Bot ?

Also see:

Thanks a lot!

M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Biography articles with unclear matches (and non-bio articles with candidate matches from search) nowadays have the potential matches loaded into a Wikidata Game for human review, and Pi bot waits for that review to have finished before creating a new item for them, to minimise creation of duplicate entries. There is currently 4197 matches in the game for enwiki, which is a bit of a backlog. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello Mike, would it be possible to call Pi bot for the list like
to connect to existing objects in cases, where it can be determined by year of birth in order to decrease the backlog? M2k~dewiki (talk) 13:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
I'll think about it. The tricky thing is that I only store the match QIDs, I don't store whether it's a biography or not, or other values from Wikidata, so it means reloading all the Wikidata items to generate the list, which is quite a lot of data loading. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator/Mike Peel 2

Mike, I closed the discussion as successful and assigned the flag. My congratulations and continue your good work. Ymblanter (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: Thanks! Mike Peel (talk) 20:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Jerzy Falenciak. Polish jurist

Jerzy Falenciak (Q48852024) and Jerzy Falenciak (Q122587308) ... it's the same person. Regards 77.3.136.53 13:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Is Pi bot creating item for soft-redirects?

Hi, I'd like to nominate for deletion all the item that are instances of Wiktionary redirect (Q21278897), like Q16862413, for failing the notability criteria, per Wikidata:Notability/Exclusion criteria. However I'd like to check with you first that Pi bot will not recreate them. Can you confirm that? Thanks, --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 10:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban: Pi bot excludes articles that use Template:Wiktionary redirect (Q5931187), which should mean it would not recreate these. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Q21292621 and Q6439899

Krzczonów-Skałka (Q21292621) and Krzczonów-Skałka (Q6439899)... it's the same place in Poland. Skałka is now a part of village Krzczonów. Regards 77.3.190.192 18:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

✓ Done Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop

Dear Mike,

I hope you are doing well,

We are a group of researchers from King’s College London working on developing WQT (Wikidata Quality Toolkit), which will support a diverse set of editors in curating and validating Wikidata content.

We are inviting you to participate in an online workshop aimed at understanding the requirements for designing effective and easy-to-use user interfaces (UI) for three tools within WQT that can support the daily activities of Wikidata editors: recommending items to edit based on their personal preferences, finding items that need better references, and generating entity schemas automatically for better item quality.

The main activity during this workshop will be UI mockup sketching. To facilitate this, we encourage you to attend the workshop using a tablet or laptop with PowerPoint installed or any other drawing tools you prefer. This will allow for a more interactive and productive session as we delve into the UI mockup sketching activities.

Participation is completely voluntary. You should only take part if you want to and choosing not to take part will not disadvantage you in any way. However, your cooperation will be valuable for the WQT design. Please note that all data and responses collected during the workshop will be used solely for the purpose of improving the WQT and understanding editor requirements. We will analyze the results in an anonymized form, ensuring your privacy is protected. Personal information will be kept confidential and will be deleted once it has served its purpose in this research.

The online workshop, which will be held on April 5th, should take no more than 3 hours.

If you agree to participate in this workshop, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form to register your interest https://forms.office.com/e/9mrE8rXZVg Then, I will contact you with all the instructions for the workshop.

For more information about my project, please read this page: https://king-s-knowledge-graph-lab.github.io/WikidataQualityToolkit/

If you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me at the email address mentioned above.

Thank you for considering taking part in this project.

Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Nazi Germany (Q7318) cannot have coordinates of a place in Berlin

Dear Mike, please revert your bot and keep it away to give coordinates of a place in Berlin for Nazi Germany (Q7318). Thank you Oursana (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@Oursana: This bot edit is because the coordinates are specified in the enwiki article, suggest asking about their appropriateness at en:Talk:Nazi Germany. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Sochacki. Polish family name / Polish surname

Sochacki (Q9339057) and Sochacki (Q107365743) ... it's the same surname. Regards 77.0.155.193 15:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Przemysław Skwirczyński. Polish cinematographer, born 1952

Przemysław Skwirczyński (Q7253409) and Przemysław Skwirczyński (Q95769514) ... it's the same person 77.1.206.0 18:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Many duplicate items created

I noticed via without claims by site/enwiki today that the Pi bot has created new items for a large number (hundreds, possibly even more) of TV series because the Qwerfjkl (bot) has moved pages on enwiki from "Series name (season x)" to "Series name season x". Is there a bot that will remove the link from the original item and merge the two Wikidata items? Oronsay (talk) 19:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

See en:Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#WikiData_discussion and Wikidata:Project_chat#(5000)_unconnected_television_season_articles_in_the_english_language_wikipedia_after_pages_have_been_moved. I don't know of a bot like that. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Mike. What a mess! Oronsay (talk) 23:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Jean Olin / born as Zygmunt Olesiewicz / immigrant to France / † 1972 in Paris

Jean Olin (Q3173780) and Zygmunt Olesiewicz (Q109490223) ... it's the same person. Regards 77.6.21.236 20:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Merged. Have you considered creating an account, so you can merge items yourself? I'd be happy to help you with this if you want (you can also contact me at https://www.mikepeel.net/contact/ if you prefer). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

BERGIN

Died Emmet Bergin and Not Patrick Bergin! 176.212.68.91 04:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Calm down 176.212.68.91 05:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Maybe that's enough? 176.212.68.91 07:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

The bot was importing information from simple:Patrick Bergin - now removed from there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Processing of 'Mortes em ...' by Pi bot

Hi Mike, Every month, a list is created on the Portuguese Wikipedia, 'Mortes em'. (Almost) every month Pi bot processes this page (like here), resulting in an item about a person. This list is not a human (P31 should not become Q5). Moreover, this list is usually later than some other lists that are gathered at (for this month) d:Q125129496. Would it be possible to have Pi bot not create a new item every month, but just put it in the existing item, unless that one is not available?

Thanks, RonnieV (talk) 14:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@RonnieV: I've added an exception for 'Mortes de' for ptwiki, which should mean it won't create a new item with instance of (P31)=human (Q5) in the future. Another script will still create a new item for it if there are no search matches and it has remained unlinked to Wikidata for 14 days. Hope that's an improvement to the situation. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Q61946303 and Q125020248

Polish surgeon Andrzej Modrzejewski (Q61946303) and Andrzej Modrzejewski (Q125020248) ... it's the same person 95.112.151.204 16:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Joachim de Chersonèse

Bonjour, ce personnage se trouve déjà sur Wikidata sous Q2623840. Il faudrait faire une fusion avec Q125554213. Merci. Cordialement MOSSOT (talk) 09:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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