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Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Kolja21,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King's College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research, in which I have developed a personalised recommender system that suggests Wikidata items for the editors based on their past edits. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our system based on your previous edits. Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published to a research venue.

The study will start in late January 2022 or early February 2022, and it should take no more than 30 minutes.

If you agree to participate in this study, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSees9WzFXR0Vl3mHLkZCaByeFHRrBy51kBca53euq9nt3XWog/viewform?usp=sf_link I will contact you with the link to start the study.

For more information about the study, please read this post: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Kholoudsaa In case you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me through my mentioned email.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk) 23:42, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Bonjour tristesse en japonais

Immer wieder schön: Q892658 mappt zur japanischen Übersetzung https://id.loc.gov/authorities/no2012126253 . Viele Grüße Aschmidt (talk) 21:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Ist auch nicht ideal, wenn der übergeordnete Eintrag fehlt:
  • Sagan, Françoise, 1935-2004. Bonjour tristesse (nicht gefunden)
  • Sagan, Françoise, 1935-2004. Bonjour tristesse. Japanese (LCAuth no2012126253)
--Kolja21 (talk) 21:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Von wegen RDA … Grüße, Aschmidt (talk) 21:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Ach ja, vorher hatte ich schon das Bild zum Eintrag über den Roman gelöscht… es war das Plakat zur Verfilmung, nicht das Buchcover… Grüße, Aschmidt (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Giunio Resti

Hi! I have fixed a bit Giunio Resti (Q6313098) and Giunio Resti (Q23889301) and they both have a good GND; however, there is also https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089636547, which is probably a sort of duplication of these two. Could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 22:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm confused:
Is BAMA correct or are all three persons identical? The BAMA entry is based on: Ulysse Chevalier (Q1276861): Répertoire des sources historiques du Moyen Âge : Bio-bibliographie. - Nouvelle éd. - Paris : Auguste Picard, 1905. - 2 vol. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
And one more question: Is Giunio Resti (Q90274222) (fl. 1730) a duplicate of Giunio Resti (Q23889301) (1669-1735)? --Kolja21 (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the rector of 1730 is the historian 1669-1735 (the Croatian encyclopedia says he was "dva puta knez Dubrovačke Republike", two times rector of the Republic of Ragusa ... although I don't find the second one, and unfortunately the Croatian encyclopedia doesn't specify the years, one time is evidently 1730); the two chroniclers with fl. 1451 are also the historian 1669-1735 in my opinion, probably derived from the title of the chronicle ad annum 1451. --Epìdosis 07:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Thanks. I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Francesco Clementi

Hi! Something about Francesco Clementi:

Thanks as always! --Epìdosis 10:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Thanks for noticing. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Maristella Agosti

Hi! This birth date 1959 in https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D122786262 seems unsourced and against the 1950 of SBN https://opac.sbn.it/opacsbn/opac/iccu/scheda_authority.jsp?bid=IT%5CICCU%5CCFIV%5C013681, so I would suggest correcting. Thanks! --Epìdosis 23:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Maristella Agosti (Q31271092). --Kolja21 (talk) 00:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Authors to be disambiguated in GND

So, this possibility of contributing to the disambiguation of authors in GND is great; I will surely give an hand in the next months. In general, would it be OK for you if:

  • if the author to be disambiguated is already in GND, I report it personally in the Fehlermeldung;
  • if the author to be disambiguated is only in Wikidata, I report it to you and you create it in GND and then report it in the Fehlermeldung?

Thanks! --Epìdosis 20:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure. Sounds good! --Kolja21 (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
You are the best! I have started listing above. People in Italian universities, starting from Pisa, will receive a better coverage in GND than in SBN ... XD --Epìdosis 00:10, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Little idea: could I create a subpage of Wikidata:Gruppo Wikidata per Musei, Archivi e Biblioteche/IRIS in order to list these cases? So that I don't flood excessively your user page. Or checking that page would be less comfortable for you? Let me know. Good night, --Epìdosis 00:13, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
It doesn't matter where you put the list, it's still the same work. I can process two or three requests a day. There is more than enough to do, see de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:GND fehlt. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:18, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
So I move the list above in Wikidata:Gruppo Wikidata per Musei, Archivi e Biblioteche/IRIS/GND; you can have a look at it whenever you want, no hurry at all. --Epìdosis 00:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Dates

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/141632607 here 1944 is strange, both SBN and BNF have 1939 (Maria Gioia Tavoni (Q15914974)). Thanks! --Epìdosis 12:30, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Both dates are documented, see Tavoni, Maria Gioia (Bibliothekarin 1944- ). I've added the information. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Cristina Coppola

Hi! I would advise to create a GND for Cristina Coppola (Q110646489) (the homonym jurist has already a record); she is present in https://d-nb.info/1169310400. Thanks! --Epìdosis 15:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done @Epìdosis: What's about BnF 15525311: "Coppola, Cristina (1975-....)"? Looks like the same jurist with a different year of birth (1975 vs 1967). --Kolja21 (talk) 17:23, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@Kolja21: Same person, and I think the date of BNF is much more probable, since she graduated in 1999; 1975 is plausible (24 years, typical age), 1967 (32 years) is improbable; I have reported to SBN, tomorrow I will probably get an answer. --Epìdosis 17:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Another ambiguity: Q110646489#P7293. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:31, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: Q110646489#P244 / LCAuth n2007034201: La rinunzia ai diritti futuri (2005), Univ. Milano-Fac. di giurisprudenza ≠ Cristina Coppola (Q110646489), mathematician (1976-). --Kolja21 (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the jurist; moved. Oh, if SBN was more open we would avoid some of these conflations in foreign authority files and VIAF ... :( --Epìdosis 17:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Email from SBN about Cristina Coppola (Q110646491): "La nota informativa di RMGV058353 (finora non visibile perché la scheda aveva un livello di autorità basso) toglie ogni dubbio circa la data di nascita: "Nata a Napoli nel 1967. Laureata in Giurisprudenza all'Università di Ginevra; Vice Presidente di Confindustria con delega al Mezzogiorno". E come fonte di tale informazione viene citato: Coppola, C. - Rosa, G., Il Sud aiuta il Sud, 2010. Peccato che sia sbagliato il nome!
A questo punto è evidente la necessità di creare un altro VID per la giurista (SBNV087440, con descrizione 'Coppola, Cristina <1975- >', e con le sue fonti) e legare a questo nuovo VID i suoi titoli. Fatto. [...] Se le può interessare sapere come possono accadere questi intrecci perversi, ecco un tentativo di ricostruzione: il VID RMGV058353 è stato creato in data 17.05.2004 (verosimilmente con la descrizione 'Coppola, Cristina') contestualmente alla notizia bibliografica RMG0118332, cui poi si saranno aggiunti altri titoli di giurisprudenza. In data 25.10.2012 un altro catalogatore, catalogando 'Il Sud aiuta il Sud', lo ha legato per errore a quello che era il VID della giurista Cristina Coppola, e vi ha aggiunto le informazioni sull'autrice che trovava nel volume che stava trattando, senza accorgersi della incongruenza del tutto. Etc etc." Thus there is no doubt that the jurist has birth date 1975; SBN has created a new ID (IT\ICCU\SBNV\087440) which will become visible probably the next week. --Epìdosis 12:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
"intrecci perversi" indeed ;) I've created Cristiana Coppola (Q110683076), giurista italiana (1967-). --Kolja21 (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
In the same bibliographic record: Monica Mollo (Q110646660) and Tiziana Pacelli (Q110646673) to be created. --Epìdosis 15:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done --Kolja21 (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Another one, not related: https://d-nb.info/1185043209 > Betine van Zyl Smit (Q110646803). Is there a procedure to report an item which corresponds to a string present in a bibliographic record, so that the string is substituted by an effective authority record reciprocally linked with Wikidata? --Epìdosis 16:09, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done @Epìdosis: Same procedure like reporting erros: de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/Januar 2022#Todesjahr nach 1850. (I've created the GND already but you can also report a title if the GND is still missing.) --Kolja21 (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
While https://d-nb.info/1205747125 already exists, https://d-nb.info/gnd/1053161190. This could probably be reported in the Fehlermeldung, but I'm not exactly sure how. --Epìdosis 16:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Marie-Louise Svane (Q110646857). I've filed a report. @Epìdosis: In the case of a single online title you can also click at "@Korrekturanfrage". (Authors can use their ORCID account to claim titles.) --Kolja21 (talk) 22:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Similarly to be created https://d-nb.info/1234988798 > Tonio Hölscher (Q2442054) and https://d-nb.info/1230912967 > Bernard Andreae (Q102913) and https://d-nb.info/1217482849 > Jerzy Miziołek (Q48860570) and https://d-nb.info/973586389 > Sandro Ciurlia (Q110646920). --Epìdosis 16:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done --Kolja21 (talk) 22:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
https://d-nb.info/1249398460 > https://d-nb.info/gnd/1073254186 + Giulia Urso (Q58210117) (to be created). Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:25, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Gianluca Grimalda (Q61161061) + Giulia Urso (Q58210117). --Kolja21 (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Some persons to be created

Moved to Wikidata:Gruppo Wikidata per Musei, Archivi e Biblioteche/IRIS/GND. --Epìdosis 00:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

GND duplication or VIAF conflation

Hi! Are Leopold Schürstab (Q94893793) and Leopold Schürstab (Q94893958) the same person (to be merged in GND) or there is a conflation in VIAF, in your opinion? Thanks, --Epìdosis 10:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

My interpretation of NDB (the source for both GND) and this source is that they might be the same person, but it’s more likely that they are father and son. Emu (talk) 12:54, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Three men of the same family:
@Emu: Is this the one (Patrizier, Handesherr, Stifter; † 1379/80) described by the Nürnberger Künstlerlexikon?
The family article (NDB, vol. 23) contains no indication that they are identical. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Guido Antonio Marcati

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/129693804 has probably a wrong date, that filtered into ISNI. Thanks, --Epìdosis 10:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Guido Antonio Marcati (Q110734071) = author of Una vita per la scuola e per i maestri (2003)? Seems convincing but the title is not listed in the Dizionario biografico degli italiani. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: Can you verify that this book is his? --Kolja21 (talk) 00:39, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Of course it is. It contains articles from Il Risveglio educativo, the review he founded. --Epìdosis 00:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Thanks. --Kolja21 (talk) 01:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Q55694487

I checked both DE-wikipedia and ZH-wikipedia of Li Ruqi (Q55694487), both wikipedia-articles are about a biologist. I thnik the problem is in GND ID (P227). The VIAF clusters should remove the DNG/GND property, but the whole VIAF should be alright. Other properties on VIAF clusters are about a biologist. Kethyga (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kethyga: Thanks for the fast feedback. Are you sure that "Fa sheng i chʻuan hsüeh, 1985-" (LCAuth n85243675) is about the biologist? --Kolja21 (talk) 22:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Fa sheng i chʻuan hsüeh, 1985- is 发生遗传学/fā shēng yí chuán xué in Chinese. The book info on Library of Congress (Q131454) is Fa sheng yi chuan xue Kethyga (talk) 22:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

GND wrong date

Hi! In https://d-nb.info/gnd/1148704051 it seems GND imported a wrong birth date from SUDOC; the correct one is in Fernanda Minuz (Q109646515). Thanks! --Epìdosis 18:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

✓ Done Very good hit! Thanks --Kolja21 (talk) 19:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

In https://d-nb.info/gnd/1122695810 a wrong date has been imported from es.wikipedia: the source cited by es.wikipedia says 1942, but es.wikipedia wrongly copied 1943 and that passed into GND. Fixed on Wikidata. Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:04, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done GND for Roberto Vacca (Q32901358) updated. "Abweichendes Geburtsjahr: 1942 (Quelle: ICCU)" was already noted. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

La redazione

Hi! In https://d-nb.info/1208372661 I see two errors: the title should be "Corrado Segre" (whilst "Corrado segre" is wrong; the dedicatee is Corrado Segre (Q1135252), a link may be added if possible); "La Redazione" simply means "das Redaktion", so using "Redazione, La" is wrong (but I don't know which should be exactly the standard in GND). Thanks as always, --Epìdosis 23:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

This is a typical import error. Correct, but nonsense. (I'm sure there are hundreds of them.) I've send an email. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Of course typical import-error, I've seen similar (and worse) ones in SBN; fortunately correction-emails work well, but the things to be cleaned are a huge number. Anyway, this evening I had a look (as I you can see from IRIS/GND and Fehlermeldung) to a systematic coverage of the authors of the first issues of the Italian mathematical review Annali di Matematica Pura ed Applicata (Q15727048); I covered 1924 and 1925 and it was a very interesting work - a little more than half of the authors already in GND (usually very important mathematicians of international fame), the other ones to be created and present only in SBN (usually hidden, as low-quality records). I think the perspectives of improvement (on Wikidata, on GND and on SBN) from such work are very interesting, I will probably continue it when possible and I will also propose it maybe at universities as possible topic for seminars/thesis. Would it be easy for you finding a list of the reviews in Italian language which have at least 1000 articles in GND, such as the aforementioned? It could be a useful list. Thanks and good night, --Epìdosis 01:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
"Would it be easy for you finding a list of the reviews in Italian language which have at least 1000 articles in GND"? No sorry, I don't do automatic queries in the GND database. BTW: I have the impression that in many of these imports (DNB and Wikidata) all languages are called "English". --Kolja21 (talk) 01:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, I presumed it wasn't easy. No problem, I will manually try to find other Italian reviews with single attempts. Thanks anyway, --Epìdosis 09:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Question: if a publication is dedicated to someone (miscellany dedicated to a person, obituary, etc.; e.g. the case above of Corrado Segre), does DNB allow creating a link to this person from the publication? Thanks, --Epìdosis 10:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Generally yes: Zwischen Aufklärung & Kulturindustrie: Festschrift für Georg Knepler zum 85. Geburtstag → Person: "Knepler, Georg (Gefeierter)", see DNB 552098493. It all depends on the field "Person(en)". Persons listed there can and should be linked. However, names will not be added later. Therefore, Corrado Segre will probably not receive an entry although it would make sense. (The cataloging rules distinguish between printed books, articles and electronic resources. They have also changed several times.) --Kolja21 (talk) 17:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

GND work duplicate

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/1088064361 seems to be https://d-nb.info/gnd/4325804-9. Merge needed? Thanks, --Epìdosis 17:38, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like a duplicate. I've added the GND to Chronicle of the Morea (Q2966782). Unfortunately, we can only report people (GND, Typ p) so far. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Some more GND duplicates

Hi! I write you just to inform you that I have restarted a campaign for merging various human-duplicates and I have thus "created" some new cases of double GND ID (P227) (e.g. Johann Friedrich Stromeyer (Q21609958)); I hope this cleaning will benefit both Wikidata and GND, it won't be short ... And I would also like to thank you for the continuous work you are doing with IRIS (and non-IRIS) authors on GND! Good night, --Epìdosis 22:11, 11 February 2022 (UTC) P.S. I would suggest archiving part of this talk page, my connection (sometimes not so good) has occasional problems in loading it ;-)

Hi Epìdosis, thanks for your good work! Indeed this page is getting to big. I will try to change from Template:Archiving (it didn't work) to User:Hazard-Bot/Archiver. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Antanina Paulavičienė date of death

I've implemented some kind of "synchronizer", that will be run every week to create/update information from https://righteous.yadvashem.org/ The https://righteous.yadvashem.org?itemId=4044789 contains information about Paulavičius family. On the left pane by default you see "Paulavičius Jonas (1898 - 1952 )", but if you click on "Paulavičienė Antanina (1905 - 1988 )" tab (second from the left) you will see the lines "Date of Birth 1905", "Date of Death: 01/01/1988" (third and forth lines from the top). I can see that there are ~1.5K of 28K people in this database that are died in January 1, which makes me suspicious that the year is specified correctly, but month and day are not. That is why I:

  1. import it with deprecated rank and corresponding reason for deprecated rank (P2241)
  2. manually create Antanina Paulavičienė (Q110000000)date of death (P570)2001 (Q1988) statement

If you don't mind, I want to keep them both - statement exactly as stated in source and my best guess (of cause unsourced). I'm planning to contact Yad Vashem to discuss "01/01" problem, but in best case it will take months to resolve. Ghuron (talk) 04:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. "January 1" is in many databases a placeholder for "exact day of birth unknown". We have the same but bigger problem with VIAF where in the metadata "20th century" is sometime interpreted as "1950". --Kolja21 (talk) 10:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Gerstenberg

I tend to think that https://d-nb.info/gnd/116594004 (Heinrich Wilhelm von Gerstenberg (Q55896994)) is probably Heinrich Wilhelm von Gerstenberg (Q77488) ... could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I also think that it is the same person. I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Karl Leopold von Schilling von Cannstatt

Karl von Schilling (Q55882602) seems a GND triplication; I am pretty sure, but could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 10:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

+1. He is mentioned in Deutsches Biographisches Archiv (Q1205568). I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Pitschaft

Hi! I'm nearly sure my merge of Johann August Pitschaft (Q60840605) was correct, but still "Pitschaft, Johann August" vs. "Pitschaft, Johann Jakob Adolf" is somewhat strange. Could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 14:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I also think that it is the same person. I've change the main name to "J. A. Pitschaft" sice all the other data match. I've filed a report. Let's see if August or Adolf win the race. BTW: His younger brother is "J. B. Pitschaft". Some parents like this kind of joke ;) --Kolja21 (talk) 15:25, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Ferdinand Triest

August Ferdinand Triest (Q76411993) and August Ferdinand Triest (Q55900505) are very likely to be the same person, despite the different second name, unless they are brothers. What do you think? Good night, --Epìdosis 23:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Yes, definitely identical. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Ignaz Frey

Hi! Are we sure that Ignaz Alois Frey (Q94766485) and Ignaz Alois Frey (Q94913063) are different persons? Thanks, --Epìdosis 18:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Looks like the same person to me. @Ldhank: Why did you undo the merge? --Kolja21 (talk) 00:44, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Looks indeed the same. At 12:05 (for i can see) i merged and immediately unmerged. I guess because i saw two values of each claim. So it was cautious. Ldhank (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Merged and linked with his father Ignaz Alois Frey (Q55875587) the elder. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Danke

fürs Hinterherräumen einiger falscher Edits. Passiert mir leider manchmal, wenn viele Tabs auf sind und ich versuche, auch Querverbindungen von Personen zu Verwandten, Unternehmen und Universitäten etc. herzustellen. Ich habe in den letzten Wochen das gesamte Munzinger-Archiv über Mixnmatch verlinkt bzw. die Leute neu angelegt (teilweise Detektivarbeit wg. altertümlicher Umschriften ins Deutsche, teilweise etwas öde, weil irgendwelche Wirtschaftswunder-Manager oder Sportschützen...) Und natürlich immer versucht, Normdaten korrekt hinzuzufügen. Jetzt fehlen noch 20 Personen, die in den letzten Monaten neu dort angelegt wurden, und noch ein paar weitere neue Sportler, dann ist diese Aufgabe erst mal erledigt... --Anvilaquarius (talk) 08:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Ich fürchte, ich habe ein bisschen Chaos mitverursacht, weil ich zwar einige Datensätze für Munziner-Personen (über meinen GND-Import) angelegt habe, aber dann einen Batch mit den Munzinger-IDs versehentlich nicht ausgeführt habe. Sorry! Die Dubletten sollten jetzt aber weitgehend erledigt sein. --Emu (talk) 11:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Hab ich gesehen, kein Problem, ich glaube es ist jetzt alles o.k. Ich hatte nur zuerst alle Munzinger per Mixnmatch abgeglichen und dann ein paar Tage später für alle restlichen nicht nochmal neu gesucht und blind neu angelegt (ich dachte nicht, dass diese "obskureren" Personen ausgerechnet jetzt jemand anlegen würde), und Du hattest inzwischen ein paar über die GND angelegt... --Anvilaquarius (talk) 12:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Danke für die Verlinkung des Munzinger-Archivs. Im Moment läuft eine große Aufräumaktion (Topic:Wpmdzaa15hvq69jd). Es gibt rund 6.700 GNDs, die mit "deprecated rank" gekennzeichnet sind. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Ja, ich wollte an dieser Aktion mithelfen, wie ich darübergestolpert bin. Beim nächsten Mal suche ich vorher das Gespräch … --Emu (talk) 12:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hab gerade den Vorschlag gesehen, die restlichen 1,8 Mio GND-Sätze nach WD zu übertragen. Da wird mir etwas schwindlig, die GND ist einfach zu schlecht dafür. Wenn ich nur an diese ganzen Datensätze von Briefempfängern aus Kallias oder von "Schauspielern" aus dem Filmportal denke (oft ein Politiker, der irgendwo in einer Wochenschau vorkam) und diese ganzen Menschen ohne Beruf aus dem Jahr 1570. Die müllen jetzt schon Wikidata eher zu als dass sie hilfreich sind. Und wir haben jetzt schon 20 Karl-Heinz Schmidts, was sollen da nochmal 200 ohne wirkliche weitere Information... --Anvilaquarius (talk) 13:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Keine Sorge. Es ist kein blinder Import geplant, denn es gibt weit mehr als 1,8 Mio GND-Sätze, die fehlen. Es geht um die Frage, wie man die wichtigsten und besten aus der Masse herausfiltern kann. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Dafür bin ich natürlich immer! --Anvilaquarius (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Auch die ISNI hat Weiterleitungen

Weiß nicht, ob du das schon kennst, der Link zeigt in der URL ganz klar 0000 0001 0800 9542 aber die ISNI auf der Seite ist 0000 0004 6070 9062. Aufgefallen bei Special:Diff/1587642004.

@MisterSynergy: nachdem ich das zu Fuß gemacht hab, gibts wohl keinen Botlauf der so Weiterleitungen nachzieht? Bei der VIAF wird das ja gemacht. --Wurgl (talk) 07:40, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Mir ist kein Bot in dem Bereich bekannt. —MisterSynergy (talk) 10:47, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
ISNI ist eine Mischung aus VIAF-Cluster und "intellektuell" gepflegten Normdatensätzen. Bislang hat sie mir nicht weitergeholfen, und ich vermute, dass das Projekt langfristig eingestellt wird. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
My impression too is that ISNI has most of the faults of VIAF (conflations and duplications; although it's unusual to find more than 2 ISNI for the same person, while VIAF can easily get to 4-5 and more) and few of its pros (clusterization: from VIAF many more IDs can be extracted from ISNI, as well as more bibliographic records). Anyway, having a bot removing redirected/abandoned ISNIs as KrBot does for VIAF clusters would be somehow useful. --Epìdosis 17:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I do not like ISNI. I do not like it, because it is just a mix of informations contained in all the IDs clustered by VIAF. ISNI is (often) okay, when the VIAF-cluster is okay. ISNI (often) cannot be used to identify a single person, when the VIAF-cluster mixes persons. Example: VIAF:10175923 (GND: Special effects for movies = "Spezialeffektkünstler", BNF is the same person) mixed with NTA (somehow a "magic" 910-record about multiple sclerosis) and ISNI has both, the movie-guy and the medicine-guy. I do not like it. --Wurgl (talk) 18:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Especially since they have mostly stopped to care about requests to change incorrect information (well, at least my requests anyway). --Emu (talk) 19:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
+1. I've made the same experience. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Q115730

Hello Kolja21,

You taged the Viaf id-250238664 in Michael Netzer (Q115730) as a deprecated cluster but as far as I can see it's about an American-Israeli comics artist, born in 1955. It seems that only the GND id is deprecated cluster. In my opinion the correct would be to add the GND id and mark it as deprecated cluster. The Viaf id is ok. Geagea (talk) 14:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Geagea, I've added VIAF = conflation (Q14946528) because the cluster is mixing different people. It does not make any difference if it is a "little conflation" or a "big conflation". --Kolja21 (talk) 14:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I think that you should add deprecated cluster to the GND id rather than remove it. Not sure about the VIAF. most of the id's is about an American-Israeli comics artist. Anyway, to your consideration. Geagea (talk) 15:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
GND 1095915266 = Michael Netzer (Q111132718), German physician. The GND is correct. Adding a correct GND to a different person and mark it as deprecated only to say "the Viaf id is ok" is nonsense. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Elisabetta Matelli

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/123269369 regards theoretically a hellenist but the 4 publications connected to it are by a homonym physician about which unfortunately I cannot find any information. OPAC SBN only has publications by the hellenist. Could you create a new GND for the physician and ask for moving the publications to it? Thanks, --Epìdosis 23:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. This error will be corrected: Elisabetta Matelli (Q111241088), Italian physician. --Kolja21 (talk) 05:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done GND 1253455074 created. @Epìdosis: Occupation non-fiction writer since there was no source for physician. --Kolja21 (talk) 10:33, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Paolo Desideri

Hi! Two little reports about GNDs:

  1. the historian of antiquity (1941-) appears in two IDs
  2. the architect (1953-) is wrongly reported as born in 1941 (confusion with the previous one)

Thanks as always, --Epìdosis 08:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Summary (2 items, 3 GNDs):
@Epìdosis: Is LCAuth n79059161 (Paolo Desideri) the reason for the mix-up?
  • Isocrates. Areopagitico, 1969
  • Pier Luigi Nervi, 1982 = architect
  • Italia sul Baetis, 1996 = historian of antiquity
Imho LCAuth should be marked as conflation (Q14946528) + "deprecated rank". --Kolja21 (talk) 14:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Isocrates. Areopagitico, 1969 is the historian of antiquity. Of course I agree LC is conflated; thus I deprecated it. Thanks! --Epìdosis 14:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Thanks! --Kolja21 (talk) 14:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Q111382996

Dürfte ich dich um eine GND für Leopold Mazakarini (Q111382996) bitten? Er ist in WBIS und diversen Nachschlagewerken verzeichnet, hat auch Werke in Katalogen (etwa dieses), aber ist aus mir nicht ganz klaren Gründen nicht im DNB-Katalog verzeichnet (im Gegensatz zu seinem Sohn), weshalb der übliche Weg ausscheidet. --Emu (talk) 19:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Gerne, leider ist WBIS gerade offline. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Jetzt unter GND 1254567968. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Sergio Tavano

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/132947293 is marked as Slovenian, but I think that SBN (see the UNIMARC: 102 IT; as of now the country is hidden in the labels-view) and NKC mark him as Italian. Thanks, --Epìdosis 09:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done I've added IdRef as main source. CONOR.SI ID (P1280) connects him with Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts (Q266063). [1] --Kolja21 (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

University of Rome

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/113837735X is a bit imprecise indicating "University of Rome"; usually "Università di Roma" indicates the most ancient and famous one, now Sapienza University of Rome (Q209344) (= UNIROMA1), but in the last decades others have been created (it:Università degli Studi di Roma); in this case the professor is at UNIROMA2, so it would be better specifying "Tor Vergata". Thanks! --Epìdosis 10:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done --Kolja21 (talk) 13:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Francesca Morandini

This is one of the most intricate cases of fusion of two people I have ever found. It is done in substantially all authority files, included SBN (now fixed, it will be visible probably next Tuesday).

GND clearly regards the second one (I would add also archivist, she was primarily an archivist and secondarily a historian), but I see from https://viaf.org/viaf/56906112/ that many works of the archaeologist have been wrongly attached to her: "Alfred Seiland Imperium Romanum : fotografie 2005-2020" is by the archaeologist, as well as "Il restauro dei grandi bronzi archeologici : laboratorio aperto per la Vittoria alata di Brescia : atti del convegno (Firenze, 27-28 maggio 2019)" and "La Vittoria alata di Brescia : non ho visto nulla di più bello". If you have any doubts, list me the dubious titles and I will be able to attribute them to the one or the other. Thanks in advance! --Epìdosis 10:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I will look into it:
--Kolja21 (talk) 15:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
BTW: Since Gymnicus is now permanently blocked can you set back or decline his edit requests (Category:Wikidata protected edit requests)? --Kolja21 (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
No. 2: yes, of course. Regarding edit requests: @Emu:, what do you think: in cases where the edit request is the only edit on the talk page, would you think deleting the page would be appropriate? Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
@Epìdosis Yes, keeping them seems pretty pointless to me. --Emu (talk) 21:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
I deleted some where the edit request was the only edit; how about cases like Talk:Q95062, where you Kolja intervened? I delete them too? --Epìdosis 22:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Yes, please. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
OK, all the ones regarding GND - except Talk:Q61432 -, plus some others which were meaningful and I solved, are now gone. --Epìdosis 22:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Carmine Carlone

https://d-nb.info/gnd/1070361992 the dates here seem wrong, I would go with IDREF (generically born in the 20th century). Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Thanks for noticing. Obviously the historian Carmine Carlone (Q94919096) didn't die as a teenager (1974-1990). The data was entered in the wrong field (Lebens- statt Wirkungsdaten). --Kolja21 (talk) 22:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

1950

Hi! Misunderstandings of VIAF's 1950 (and 1850 etc.) from "century floruit" into "birth year" are a known problem on Wikidata ... but in Marco Spallanzani (Q6757718) I see that GND alone supported birth year 1950 with source VIAF, so I fear that it may be a similar problem. Could you verify? Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done You are absolutely right. A cluster is not a reliable source. GND 123687496X was created by Zentralinstitut für Kunstgeschichte, Bibliothek [DE-255]. I've replaced VIAF with BnF. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Q147741

Wie bekomme ich da die BNF aus der VIAF:237490749 raus? Die GND beschreibt eine Ortschaft in Rumänien, BNF irgendwas um die Herta GmbH. Die letzte Stelle im Identifier der BNF fehlt mir. --Wurgl (talk) 07:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hat sich erledigt. Da gibts einen Datensatz mit LCCN, ich hab den eingetragen. (Hinweis: DNB sagt Rumänien weil zum Zeitpunkt als das zugeordnete Werk entstand, die Ortschaft zu Rumänien gehörte; LCCN sagt Ukraine, wo der Ort jetzt ist). --Wurgl (talk) 08:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Sowohl VIAF 144410271 wie LCAuth n95081568 erzeugen in Hertsa (Q147741) (= Stadt in der Ukraine) eine Fehlermeldung (Ausrufezeichen: ID doppelt eingetragen). Das schaue ich mir heute Abend noch mal an. Gruß --Kolja21 (talk) 16:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
@Wurgl: Soweit ich weiß, kann man diese BnF (16908536v) = Herta Foods (Q1614599) nicht aus VIAF auslesen. Der Buchstabe am Ende der ID bereitet ähnliche Probleme wie die Bindestriche in der GND. Davon abgesehen, ist es ein komplizierter Fall: Während VIAF 237490749 das Geografikum mit einer Körperschaft vermischt, vermischt VIAF 144410271 Stadt und Rajon: Hertsa (Q147741) vs Hertsa Raion (Q2128886). --Kolja21 (talk) 21:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Oops! Hertsa Raion (Q2128886) hab ich übersehen. Die beiden J9U (haben ja die gleiche ID, nur andere Schrift/Sparche) entsprechen der LCCN und die beschreibt eine Ortschaft. Oder sehe ich das falsch? --Wurgl (talk) 21:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Müsste stimmen. Die Israelische Nationalbibliothek übernimmt die Daten von LCAuth. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Fedele Savio

Hi! The cousins Fedele Savio (Q60515697) and Carlo Fedele Savio (Q111530399) are sometimes not easy to distinguish. GND seems to have 5 IDs (https://viaf.org/viaf/search?query=local.names%20all%20%22Fedele%20Savio%22), but only 2 of them are clearly identifiable. Could I help you merge the other 3 into the previous 2? Thanks, --Epìdosis 13:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Theoretically all the IDs name "Fedele Savio" should be for Fedele Savio (Q60515697), but it's better to check; fortunately https://www.liberliber.it/online/autori/autori-s/carlo-fedele-savio provides a very complete bibliography of the works by Carlo Fedele Savio (Q111530399). --Epìdosis 13:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done I've added the year of birth and filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Sergio Daris

https://d-nb.info/gnd/123778972 cites LCNAF as source for 1936, but LC has 1933-08-15. Could you fix? Thanks! --Epìdosis 22:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Typo fixed: Sergio Daris (Q111547462). --Kolja21 (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
BTW: The GND was created in 2012. The info "born 15 August 1933" (LCAuth) was added in 2014. Since the source for 1936 was not given I've deleted the differing year of birth. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Löschen von Identifikatoren

Wieso löscht du einen GND-Identifikator aus den Datenobjekt von Angela Merkel (Q567)? Es handelt sich bei dem gelöschten Identifikator zwar „nur“ um eine Weiterleitung, aber das berechtigt nicht zum Löschen. Deswegen bitte ich dich deine Bearbeitung rückgängig zu machen. --Gymnicus (talk) 16:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Hallo Gymnicus, der Eintrag stand in der Fehlerliste Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P227. Außerdem arbeite ich die monatlichen Rückmeldungen der GND-Red. in der Liste de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung ab. Es gibt über 9 Millionen GNDs. Viele davon enthalten ein oder mehrere Weiterleitungen. In Fällen wie Johann Friedrich Trauttmansdorff (Q26868362), wo eine Weiterleitung in einer anderen Datenbank genutzt wird, lösche ich die GND nicht, sondern setze den Hinweis "missbilligter Rang". Für Angela Merkel könntest du neben GND 1210121425, die ich gelöscht habe, z.B. auch noch GND 1090428227, GND 1012907104 etc. eintragen. Wenn wir die erledigten Fälle nicht löschen, bricht die Wartungsarbeit auf Wikidata zusammen. Informationen gehen dabei nicht verloren, denn die Weiterleitungen sind in den Metadaten der gültigen GND dokumentiert. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
„Wenn wir die erledigten Fälle nicht löschen, bricht die Wartungsarbeit auf Wikidata zusammen.“ – Das sehe ich anders. Der Fehler liegt hier klar beim Bot, der die Listen erstellt. Denn dieser kann nicht den missbilligten Rang erkennen und deswegen wurde bisher auch Angela Merkel (Q567) in diese Liste aufgenommen. Aus meiner Sicht ist dann aber nicht der Lösungsweg, dass man die missbilligten Identifikatoren löscht, sondern dass man den Bot endlich so programmiert, dass er sie erkennt und dann beim Erstellen der Liste aussortiert. --Gymnicus (talk) 07:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Frisch ans Werk! Der Tag ist jung. Erstelle bessere Wartungslisten, da ist in der Tat noch viel Luft nach oben. (Auch VIAF erkennt die Ränge bislang leider nicht.) Warum wir redundante Daten einfügen sollen, ist mir allerdings nicht klar. Zitat: "Informationen gehen dabei nicht verloren, denn die Weiterleitungen sind in den Metadaten der gültigen GND dokumentiert." Und warum willst du ausgerechnet diese eine Weiterleitung für Angela Merkel einfügen und nicht alle andere? --Kolja21 (talk) 07:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Es geht nicht darum redundante Daten einzufügen. Es geht darum, dass hier keine Daten aus Datenobjekten gelöscht werden, auch wenn sie veraltet sind. Aber genau dies hast du gemacht und das nicht nur einmal. Weil du selbst das Gespräch auf die beiden anderen Identifikatoren, welche auch auf das GND-Datenobjekt von Angela Merkel verlinken, bringst, ist mir aufgefallen, dass du am 7. Dezember 2020‎ auch diese beiden Identifikatoren einfach herausgelöscht hast. Du verstößt damit gegen die Grundsätze von Wikidata und deswegen bitte ich dich erneut darum, deine Bearbeitungen rückgängig zu machen. --Gymnicus (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Die Weiterleitungen sind nicht nur veraltet, sondern, wie ich oben erläutert habe, redundant. (Sie stehen in den Metadata, und es gibt nicht nur die drei oder vier für Angela Merkel, sondern mehr als 100.0000.) Wir brauchen dringend mehr Leute, die sich an der Normdatenwartung beteiligen. Daher mein Vorschlag: Arbeite ein-, zweihundert Einträge aus den Listen mit Fehlermeldungen oder den entsprechenden Kategorien ab, dann können wir uns gerne über mögliche Verbesserungen unterhalten. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Schade, dass du deinen Fehler nicht einsiehst. Deswegen bleibt mir jetzt keine andere Wahl als das Thema auf den Administratoren-Notizbuch zu erläutern. --Gymnicus (talk) 16:08, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Schade, dass du dort glatt vergessen hast, auf die Diskussion hier zu verlinken und einfach nur deine Forderung von oben wiederholt hast, siehe Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard#Deletion of identifiers from the data object Q567. Im Übrigen wurdest du schon einmal auf Wikidata gesperrt. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Da muss ich dir recht geben. Eigentlich wollte ich die Diskussion hier auch verlinken, einfach nur aus dem Grund, dass man sieht, dass ich davor schon mit dir gesprochen habe. Warum ich mich dann doch gegen eine Verlinkung entschieden oder warum ich die Verlinkung vergessen habe, kann ich aktuell nicht mehr sagen. Zudem als Anmerkung: Ich wurde nicht nur schon auf Wikidata gesperrt, ich bin auf Wikidata gesperrt, zu mindestens in drei Namensräumen. --Gymnicus (talk) 11:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Grund für die Sperre: "Removing content from pages: continuing to remove references after being asked not to." Das ist offenbar der Hintergrund für das Beharren auf der Forderung, dass andere nicht das tun dürfen, wofür man selbst gesperrt wurde. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
So gerne ich diese Unterstellung zurückweisen würde, kann ich diesen Schluss nicht vollkommen von der Hand weisen. Zu mindestens indirekt ist dies sicherlich ein Gedanke im Hinterkopf, auch wenn deine Löschungen nicht mit meinen Löschungen zu vergleichen sind. Zudem möchte ich auch nicht, dass du gesperrt wirst. Ich möchte nur, dass die Identifikatoren wieder eingefügt werden. --Gymnicus (talk) 13:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

"Zudem möchte ich auch nicht, dass du gesperrt wirst." Lange hat dieser Wunsch nicht gehalten, siehe: Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2022/02#User:Kolja21. Ab jetzt hat er hier auf der Seite als Troll Hausverbot. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Jetzt offenbar mit neuem Account unter dem Namen "Molestator" unterwegs. [2] --Kolja21 (talk) 13:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Parallel dazu Diskussion Nr. 4: Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard#Please make a decision. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 5: Talk:Q454871#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 6: Talk:Q270363#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 7: Talk:Q61432#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 8: Talk:Q168082#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 9: Talk:Q143499#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 10: Talk:Q168905#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 11: Talk:Q37158#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 12: Talk:Q3329639#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2022/03#Removing P27: Eine IP aus Erfurt beschwert sich über einen Edit von User:Moumou82, fordert, dass der User geblockt wird, und Gymnicus ist wie stets nicht weit. --Kolja21 (talk) 05:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 13: Talk:Q689374#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 05:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 14: Talk:Q546310#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 05:07, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 15: Talk:Q534585#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 05:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 16: Talk:Q217365#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 17: Talk:Q176916#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 18: Talk:Q149872#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 19: Talk:Q114458#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 20: Talk:Q109554#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:44, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 21: Talk:Q109516#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Forderung Nr. 22: Talk:Q95062#undo edit. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
... and more
Wenig überraschend, möchte Gymnicus das Thema noch einmal diskutieren: Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2022/03#Deleting of GND redirects – Right or wrong? --Kolja21 (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Nachdem er auf dem Administrators' noticeboard keine Antwort mehr erhält, versucht Gymnicus jetzt über die Seite "Requests for checkuser" Aufmerksamkeit zu generieren (Wikidata:Requests for checkuser/Case/Gymnicus). --Kolja21 (talk) 14:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
… und wurde jetzt endgültig gesperrt, siehe User talk:Gymnicus#Request for unblock (4). --Kolja21 (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Aber selbst aus der Geschlossenen heraus wird weiter getrollt: User talk:BrokenSegue#Request about possible undo of deletions. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Neue IP-Aktion im Gymnicus-Stil: de:Portal Diskussion:Arabische Welt/Archiv#Tripolis. --Kolja21 (talk) 10:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Nachtrag: Kaum entsperrt, macht Gymnicus wieder auf sich aufmerksam.[3], Talk:Q606060. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Lucia Caporaso

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/102631965X declares to be Lucia Caporaso (Q30348098), but all the four publications connected to it (https://d-nb.info/1237718619 + https://d-nb.info/1237466261 + https://d-nb.info/1135138419 + https://d-nb.info/1238561888) are by Lucia Caporaso (Q56954137). Thanks, --Epìdosis 08:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

https://d-nb.info/1190621940 + https://d-nb.info/121063631X would really be by Lucia Caporaso (Q30348098). --Epìdosis 08:34, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. This seems to be an ORCID problem. I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 09:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Ivano Sartor

https://d-nb.info/gnd/143547887 cites LC as source for 1954, but LC (and SBN) say 1953. Thanks as always, --Epìdosis 19:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done GND from 2012; merged with GND 155813749. Ivano Sartor (Q111605730) b. 1954 was unsourced. LCAuth 2015-07-13: revised. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:51, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Angelo D'Ambrosio

Distinguishing the contemporary ones is complex ... but https://d-nb.info/gnd/173038182 is strange, SBN doesn't say that the person born in 1952 was a priest and archivist, while BNF and an online source say that the priest and archivist was 1929-2008. I will go on investigating tomorrow. Good night, --Epìdosis 22:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. GND 173038182 has been created by DE-605 (HBZ). Their catalog lists four titles: see here. Possible conflation:
--Kolja21 (talk) 08:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
The 4 in HBZ: "Tra anima e corpo | cibo e alimentazione in Puglia nei secoli XVIII e XIX", ""Per darvi una più certa e distinta norma del vivere" | le costituzioni particolari delle monache cappuccine (secc. XVII - XVIII)", "'Herbis non verbis redeunt in corpora vires' | i rimedi curativi nell'Italia del seicento: Felice Passera da Bergamo e Francesco dal Bosco di Valdobbiadene, speziali e infermieri cappuccini", "Viva 'o Re! | nobili e tragiche vicende della Repubblica Napoletana del 1799 | 1. ed." all by Angelo D'Ambrosio (Q111710901) (b. 1952). The 1 in HeBIS: "L'Archivio Capitolare di Pozzuoli ed il regesto del suo fondo pergamenaceo" by Angelo D'Ambrosio (Q104798121) (1929-2008). The 2 in Heidelberg: "Le chiese del monte S. Angelo a Pozzuoli", "Il duomo di Pozzuoli" all by Angelo D'Ambrosio (Q104798121) (1929-2008). Ixtheo contains titles by both, if you want I can also distinguish them. --Epìdosis 08:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
So LCAuth n86824608 was created for the Italian priest (1929-2008) and later supplemented with the dates of the historian (b. 1952). BNF 12955797 should be correct. If so I will create a GND for the Italian priest (1929-2008). --Kolja21 (talk) 08:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done GND 173038182 is now correct (source: ICCU). I've create a GND 1256054607 for the Italian priest and archivist (1929-2008). --Kolja21 (talk) 09:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Geburtsort: Dominikanerin

https://d-nb.info/gnd/139260919 has a little problem of field: "Geburtsort: Dominikanerin". Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done funny error. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Another little fix: https://d-nb.info/gnd/1017239150 has "Geburtsort: Baños de Valderarados", but Baños de Valdearados (Q929461). Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done thanks for noticing. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Diana Wood

Works by https://d-nb.info/gnd/124275737 (Diana Wood (Q111784408)) should belong to Diana F. Wood (Q55946954). Thanks, --Epìdosis 16:26, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Thanks. I have filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Nukat-Links

Moin! Ist dir schon aufgefallen, dass ein Klick auf die ID bei einem NUKAT-Link auf eine leere Seite führt? Zum Beispiel hier: Q493#P1207. Warum ist die ID verlinkt, wenn nix kommt? --Wurgl (talk) 06:45, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Mit NUKAT hatte ich auch schon Probleme beim Abruf. Aber woran das liegt, weiß ich nicht. Ich habe auf Property talk:P1207#Retrieval error eine Nachricht hinterlassen. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Link funktioniert wieder. War nur eine temporäre Störung. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Marion Bertram

Hi! The physicist https://d-nb.info/gnd/131807285 seems to have at least one work (Rudolf Virchow als Prähistoriker) clearly by the archaeologist https://d-nb.info/gnd/172807530; from conflated VIAF https://viaf.org/viaf/17477503/ I also see another wrong work (Troja, Mykene, Tiryns). Could you check? Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I have filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Edgardo Codazzi

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/105068818X has 1865 but is seems an error for 1856. Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done I've corrected the Zahlendreher (swapped digits). The word "Zahlendreher" (numeri trasposti) seems not to exist in other in other languages ;) --Kolja21 (talk) 23:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hubertus Adam

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/123311101 seems not dead, despite place of death Zürich. Could you check? Thanks, --Epìdosis 13:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Wrong field: "Sterbeort: Zürich (1998-)" should be "Wirkungsort". I can't fix the error and filed a report. (Through my interface I can only correct places but "Zürich (1998-)" is a mix of place and time.) --Kolja21 (talk) 13:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

translation of first lines

The first line from a translation belongs on the data item for that translation, not on the main data item. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Das Thema wird bereits unter Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books#P1922 for work or edition? diskutiert. Hier erl. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Die geographischen Fragmente des Hipparch

Hallo! GND 1176513788 ist zu Hipparchus (Q1619936) (GND 102395721) zugeschrieben, aber es sollt zu Hipparchus (Q159905) (GND 100499651) sein. Danke dir, (and sorry for my broken German !) --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 09:40, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Bonjour, merci pour le message en allemand. J'ai signalé le cas. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:48, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Maria Letizia Casanova

Hi! GND defines Maria Letizia Casanova (Q112110917) as Spanish, but it seems she always wrote in Italian. Could you check? Thanks, --Epìdosis 14:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Epìdosis: María Casanova worked with the Institut Valencià d'Art Modern (Q1600831) (IVAM). That's why the Ibero-American Institute Berlin (Q568704) (IAI) assumes she is Spanish. GND 1057531618 is connected with:
Are the "Spanish" María Casanova (= LCAuth n96028912 = DNB 960430245) and the Italien Maria Letizia Casanova (Q112110917) the same person? --Kolja21 (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
GND 1057531618 is a conflation. Maria Letizia Casanova (Q112110917) start publishing in 1960. María Casanova (Q112111986) is working for the publications department of the IVAM now, 72 years later. Thanks for noticing. I will file a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Wolfgang Filter

Hi! This 1954 https://d-nb.info/gnd/1145384676 should be 1952 according to LC; the one of 1954 (Wolfgang Filter (Q102335378)) is probably https://d-nb.info/1187827231. Thanks, --Epìdosis 22:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

GND 1145384676 created (not by DNB) for Integration theory = Wolfgang Filter (Q102335378), mathematician (1954-). The DNB added later the titels from the economist (1952-). I've created GND 1258447169 for the economist and filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:04, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Simon Atheniensis

Hallo! GND 100786987 ist mitgeteilt zwischen Simon of Athens (Q1493398) und Simon the Shoemaker (Q3780768). Alles, das mit Pferde zu tun hat, sollt an dem ersten sein und alles, das mit Philosophie und Sokrates zu tun hat, sollt an dem zweiten. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 22:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@Jahl de Vautban: Du meinst, die GND vermischt zwei Personen? Der Datensatz bezieht sich eindeutig auf Simon of Athens (Q1493398) (writer on horsemanship), aber bei den in OGND genannten Werken bin ich mir nicht sicher:
  1. De re equestri
  2. Plato: Simonis Socratici ut videtur, dialogi quatuor, De lege ... (1810)
  3. Simon <Atheniensis>: Dialogi IV. (1810)
No. 1 is correct. Are no. 2+3 connected with the philosopher and shoemaker? --Kolja21 (talk) 22:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Genau! Sorry, die Verschiedene Teilen des GND sind noch sehr obskur für mich. Das Label "Simon Socraticus" sollt auch nur für den Philosopher/Schuhmacher benuzt werden. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 23:05, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Danke für den Tipp! Der Fall ist kompliziert, da im DNB-Katalog keine Werke mit dem Autor verknüpft sind. Die drei oben genannten Werke sieht man nur, wenn man den Datensatz über OGND aufruft. Diese Angaben sind quasi versteckt und nur für den automatischen Abgleich (mit anderen Bibliotheken und VIAF) gedacht. Ich habe den Fehler auf WP:GND/F eingetragen. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Sergio Torresani

https://d-nb.info/gnd/172419786 died in 1992, not 1993. Thanks, --Epìdosis 17:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Error corrected. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Marcellus, Marcus C.

Hallo! Ich habe GND 118800930 und GND 118577492 gefunden. Kannst du mir sagen, ob diese Datensatzen irgendwo benutzt sind? Andernfalls, ich habe keine Idee, an welchem Claudius Marcellus sie konnten gehören. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 07:42, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Hallo Jahl, beide Datensätze wurden von der DNB [DE-101‏] angelegt:
Die Abkürzungen stehen hier: Liste der fachlichen Nachschlagewerke für die Gemeinsame Normdatei (Q107956344). Ich werde die beiden GNDs melden, damit die Lebens- oder Wirkungsdaten nachgetragen werden. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:35, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Danke für die Abkürzungen! Aber ja, das habe ich befürchtet, dass der Datensatz nicht genug präziz war, um der korrekte Marcus Claudius Marcellus zu identifieren. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 11:21, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Es ist auch ungewöhnlich. 1. ist die DNB nur für die Jahre ab 1913 zuständig. 2. werden nur GNDs angelegt, wenn Literatur vorliegt (kein Titel ist verknüpft), und 3., wenn man schon zwei Datensätze mit dem gleichen Namen angelegt, warum fügt man nicht mehr Informationen hinzu? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Luigi Perissinotto

Hi! While GND distinguishes very properly the philosopher (1953-) and the historian (1938-), the work Animali figurati : teoria e rappresentazione del mondo animale dal Medioevo all'età moderna GND attributes to the historian is by the philosopher (see SBN). Thanks, --Epìdosis 17:33, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

This is bizarre. I'm not sure why VIAF 68895175 shows DNB as source for Animali figurati. This title is not linked by DNB, OGND or K10plus with the historian. K10plus PPN ID (P6721) 1690237023 is correct. There is an error in B3Kat dataset ID (P6123) BV046328049 but I cannot correct it. User:NullachtundsiebzigKu from the Bavarian State Library could probably correct it but he was only active on Wikidata in 2018. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Francesca Castellani

As far as I can see, https://d-nb.info/gnd/173913989 is based on https://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/nr89018478.html which bases 1940 on Intensioni e mondi possibili, but https://www.francoangeli.it/Ricerca/scheda_libro.aspx?Id=1636 regarding the same book says 1949; so the above GND should be merged in fact into https://d-nb.info/gnd/132993929. Do you agree? --Epìdosis 19:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Epìdosis, since Francesca Castellani (b. 1940) and Francesca Castellani (b. 1949) both exists GND 132993929 might be an error or a conflation. I'm busy till July 10th. I will look later at this case. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:45, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: So LCAuth nr89018478 is wrong? I'm still confused looking at Francesca Castellani (Q112178830) (1949-), Italian epistemologist = BnF 12234951 (1949-), Professeur de logique et de philosophie de la science à l'Université de Trente (en 2001). That looks like a mix up in Wikidata. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
PS: I've read epidemiologists. I'll file a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Item creations

Hi Kolja,

are you systematically creatings items for people who have the same names?--ကြည် (talk) 15:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, for people and bands if there are conflations (mostly due to VIAF). The main worklists are de:Benutzer:APPER/VIAF and de:Benutzer:APPER/Bands. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Giuseppe Clemente Bini

Hi! Giuseppe Clemente Bini (https://d-nb.info/gnd/1157455581) is just a pseudonym of Giovanni Lami (Q551722), as DBI states (https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/giovanni-lami_%28Dizionario-Biografico%29/). Thanks, --Epìdosis 15:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Guido Riviera

As a curiosity, do you have any hint about how https://d-nb.info/gnd/1055344713 is used? While I have easily identified https://d-nb.info/gnd/1157737455 thanks to the works mentioned in VIAF (https://viaf.org/processed/DNB%7C1157737455), for https://d-nb.info/gnd/1055344713 I really have no hints. SBN only knows Guido Riviera (Q111232224) (also in its invisible part). Thanks! --Epìdosis 18:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

GND 1055344713 has been created by DE-7 = SUB Göttingen: <Carmina> Caji Valerii Catulli, et Albii Tibulli Carmina = Le opere di Cajo Valerio Catullo, tradotte da Parmindo Ibichense pastor Arcade, e di Albio Tibullo, tradotte dal Signor Guido Riviera. So the two GNDs are duplicates. I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Johann Caspar Morf

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/102897065X wrongly has "Lebensdaten: 1680-1710", it should be the activity period. Thanks! --Epìdosis 14:38, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Johann Kaspar Morf (Q112710666): Swiss engraver (fl. 1680-1710). Thanks for noticing. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:16, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Georg Gaar

https://d-nb.info/gnd/100136176 has Niederulm, which seems to be Nieder-Olm according to https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110678000-003/pdf (if you don't see it: "Gaar,Georg,* 2.2.1702 Nieder-Olm, † 24.3.1764Aschaffenburg; Sohn eines Müllers, ab 1723 Jesuit [...] – Jesuit, Theologe." --Epìdosis 16:08, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Thanks. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

David Zöpfel

https://d-nb.info/gnd/119878941 seems to invert Lebensdaten and Wirkungsdaten. Thanks, --Epìdosis 16:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I've filed a report since I don't have the source. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

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Franco Cazzola

Hi! Two Franco Cazzola were born in 1941 (unfortunately), an economic historian and a political scientist. GND has only https://d-nb.info/gnd/132311569 collecting works of both. Could you create a second one? I can help you with which works are of the one or the other; SBN is OK. Good night, --Epìdosis 21:41, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Epìdosis: Two historians, that's difficult. GND 132311569 was created by the Library of the Zentralinstitut für Kunstgeschichte (Q28739428) (DE-255‏). Their OPAC is Kubikat and these are the results in PND-BEACON. LCAuth n79099188 (the source named in GND 132311569) should be Franco Cazzola (Q93253235): Italian political scientist and politician (1941-). Correct? --Kolja21 (talk) 22:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
LCAuth n79099188 has 28 connected records, belonging to one or the other, although all the 3 "found" are by Franco Cazzola (Q93253235): Italian political scientist and politician (1941-). Everything in Kubikat is by Franco Cazzola (Q113261182): Tra i conti di Lucrezia; Uomini e fiumi; Amministrare la fame; Raggiungere Ferrara; Il sistema delle castalderie; Sant'Antonio in Polesine; Cultura nell'età delle Legazioni; L'Italia contadina; I lavori agricoli; Problemi d'acque; La bottega di un bicchieraio. HeBIS has Franco Cazzola (Q93253235): L'Italia del pizzo, but Franco Cazzola (Q113261182): Lo sviluppo del capitalismo italiano. HBZ has Franco Cazzola (Q93253235): Governo e opposizione, Sistema politico, but Franco Cazzola (Q113261182): L'Italia contadina, Lo sviluppo del capitalismo italiano, Contadini e agricoltura. B3Kat has all Franco Cazzola (Q113261182) except the following by Franco Cazzola (Q93253235): Il decreto legge, Anatomia del potere DC, Il sistema politico dell'Italia contemporanea, Della corruzione, Governo e opposizione, Il partito come organizzazione, Carisma e democrazia, Qualcosa di sinistra, L'alluvione dei decreti, Autonomia politica regionale, La mutua diffidenza, Nodi e frammenti, L'Italia del pizzo. --Epìdosis 22:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the bibliography! So the best solution would be to created two new GNDs, since GND 132311569 is a conflation. Unfortunately I can't change GNDs into a redirect. Second best solution: GND 132311569 is now only for the political scientist and (the new) GND 1263459110 for the economic historian. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
PS: I used IdRef as source since SBN says: "Errore temporaneo, riprovare più tardi." --Kolja21 (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
The new OPAC SBN, online as test from December 2021 and definitive from March 2022, still has some days out of service, especially in weekends; they are working on it; today it works. --Epìdosis 09:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Giovanni Benedetto Perazzo

This birthdate 1705 in https://d-nb.info/gnd/100380638 is very strange (see Giovanni Benedetto Perazzo (Q111281466): Italian Dominican theologian (1631-1707)). Could you check? --Epìdosis 16:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Imho wrong field: It should be died 1705. Since there is a duplicate I will file a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

new public management (Q1725295)

Moin! Irgendwie passt das gar nicht zum Artikel. Wikidata: Non-Profit-Organisation vs. deWP: Verwaltungsmodell. Eventuell passt diese Organisation ja zum (noch) nicht vorhandenen engl. Artikel? Wurgl (talk) 06:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Wurgl: Ist ein concept (Q151885) könnte passen, vgl. Q546113#P31. Auch public management (Q1519782) "ist eine öffentliche Hand" klingt nicht überzeugend. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Ich blick bei dieser Toplevel-Klassifizierung nicht durch und will da nix anfassen. Benutzerin Memunozd blickt wohl auch nicht durch, fasst aber an. --Wurgl (talk) 11:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
@Wurgl: Gut zusammengefasst ;) In Wikidata wird wild rumgeklickt, und ich versuche zu lernen, solche Edits zu ignorieren. Ich rege mich nur bei den Normdaten auf, wo es leider nicht besser ist. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:45, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
conceptual model (Q2623243) könnte auch passen, abgeguckt von budget-maximizing model (Q1001418). Hab mir in de:Kategorie:Verwaltungswissenschaft alle Modelle angeguckt, die haben aber fast alle kein instance of (P31). Was meint @MisterSynergy: dazu? --Wurgl (talk) 12:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Schwer zu sagen, es fehlt mir die Fach- und Themenkenntnis. Der aktuelle P31-Wert macht jedenfalls keinen Sinn. —MisterSynergy (talk) 17:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Hermann von Oertzen

Hi! Could you check if Hermann von Oertzen (Q94758554) and Hermann von Oertzen (Q94758557) are really distinct? Thanks, --Epìdosis 12:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. Looks like someone (DE-12) created the GND and saved his edit twice. I'll file a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Two members of the noble family Oertzen family (Q2015177): "Hermann I. (erw. 1300-44), auf Roggow" and "Hermann I. zu Feldberg (erw. 1308-18)". I'll try to distinguish the GNDs more clearly. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done The librarian really didn't put any effort into creating these datasets. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Tønnes Andenæs

I'm not sure about merging Tønnes Andenæs (Q7862372) and Tønnes Andenæs (Q95764570). What do you think? Thanks, --Epìdosis 14:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done I've merge the two items. I haven't found any information on The Bookshop <Oslo> (GND 1138121622), but there is no namesake that comes to question. Time and activity fits. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Theodor Schorn

Peter Theodor Schorn (Q95890513) is probably Peter Theodor Schorn (Q31440514), name and dates are plausible. Do you agree? Thanks, --Epìdosis 14:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, probably but I found no proof. I'll file a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done German Literature Archive Marbach (Q1205813) identifies them as the same person. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:00, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Elisabeth Hammer

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/116441151 has something strange: despite "Wirkungsdaten: 1925-1928", the 10 Publikationen date 1970s. Could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 13:12, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. Weakly individualized GND created by Kalliope (Q1722480), later linked to the works of a namesake. VIAF is mixing:
Kolja21 (talk) 13:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

User:Emu found the biographical data for the Kalliope person. Great! I've filed a report @de:WP:GND/F. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:11, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Another similar case (Marie Dürr): https://d-nb.info/gnd/117700606 has "Wirkungsdaten: 1788", but the only publication is from 1920. --Epìdosis 14:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Same case GND 117700606 was created by Kalliope (DE-611) = Marie Dürr (Q95705961). This item is now mixed with Marie Kerschensteiner (Q55853357). --Kolja21 (talk) 14:58, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Set back the item to your version from 10:24, 27. Jun. 2020‎? --Kolja21 (talk) 15:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Marie-Luise Dürr, added last year by User:Maxwan, might be a third person: Marie-Luise Dürr (Q113557547): German physician (b. 1943). --Kolja21 (talk) 15:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done I've restore the original person. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:22, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Daniel Kula

I'm uncertain about merging the two items we have. Could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

No, indeed there are three persons. User:Matlin, whose account has unfortunately been unblocked, added NUKAT n2015138981 - who seems to be a French design teacher (IdRef 132315033) - to the Czech electrical engineer Daniel Kula (Q95081636). I've asked Matlin a couple of times to check his edits but he keeps on adding IDs without looking at the item. I will do the clean up. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Dubious too: "VIAF 66303837, source: VIAF 84602144, June 1, 2020". A specialty of User:KrBot: Change the information and leave the source as it is.[4] --Kolja21 (talk) 21:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Anton Fellner

The two existing Anton Fellner have some overlapping IDs and it's difficult for me districating them. Could you maybe have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 22:14, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Epìdosis, there is no GND for either of them: Anton Fellner (Q106097274): Austrian lawyer and writer (1908-1967) and Anton Fellner (Q589273): Austrian journalist (1927-1997). @Emu: You're the expert for Austria. Kannst du schauen, ob die beiden Personen vermischt sind? Für den Journalisten werde ich eine GND anlegen. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:25, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
@Epìdosis Sadly, LCCN seems conflated which is bad news (they never seem to correct their mistakes). I think the works on VIAF can be distributed as follows:
Anton Fellner (Q106097274): Austrian lawyer and writer (1908-1967), a National Socialist
  • Wie es kommen sollte ... : Dokumentarische Belege für den Verrat Schuschniggs (confirmed)
  • Deutschland in uns! : Bekenntnis und Aufruf aus Österreich (confirmed)
  • Unser Oberdonau, ewiger Kraftquell der Heimat; ein deutscher Gau in Kunst und Dichtung, ausgewählt und herausgegeben (confirmed)
  • Baugeschichte des Linzer Theaters : im Auftrag des Kulturreferenten Dr. Anton Fellner angefertigt für den Herrn Reichsstatthalter und Gauleiter in Oberdonau August Eigruber. (very likely)
Anton Fellner (Q589273): Austrian journalist (1927-1997), a Catholic anti-Fascist
  • Erbe und Auftrag. (very likely)
    • translation: Inheritance and its obligations. Cultural work in Vienna. (very likely)
  • Warnung an Österreich : Neonazismus : die Vergangenheit bedroht die Zukunft (very likely)
--Emu (talk) 07:50, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, I re-distributed the IDs among the two items accordingly and I deprecated VIAF and LC as conflated. --Epìdosis 08:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the bibliography. Both Fellners now have a GND. LCAuth n85250261 = "Wie es kommen sollte, 1938 … (Dr. Anton Fellner)" = Anton Fellner (Q106097274): Austrian lawyer and writer (1908-1967). The authority file is unambiguous but the library catalog (and therefore also VIAF) adds titles of the namesake. As far as I can see we can't properly represent this problem in Wikidata. BTW: Jack User turned de:Anton Fellner (1927-1997) into a Nazi that published a book when he was 11 years old.[5] @Emu: Thanks for correcting that. Kolja21 (talk) 11:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Paul Guillemin

Hi! Is Paul Guillemin (Q95890159) Paul Guillemin (Q29913490)? I'm unsure. --Epìdosis 22:31, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Probably, when he wrote a letter to Paul Heinrich von Groth (Q63474). More is not known about him. I've add said to be the same as (P460) Kolja21 (talk) 22:41, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 Doing… I've forwarded the question to the Bavarian State Library. Kolja21 (talk) 00:57, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Robert de Ho

Probably Robert de Ho (Q95795176) and Robert de Ho (Q3436660) coincide, but the dates are significantly different. What do you think? --Epìdosis 09:24, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done The same person, despite the differing dates. I've merged the two items. --Kolja21 (talk) 01:14, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
BTW: Q3436660#P1317 ("circa") is not quite correct. I miss an item for "year cited". Kolja21 (talk) 01:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

David Power

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/170909891 is clearly about David M. Power (Q58050644), but its (conflated) VIAF https://viaf.org/viaf/4550149296158380670009/ has Roman Nantwich, clearly belonging to David Power (Q59273425). Could you have a look? --Epìdosis 09:44, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. There are two libaries (BSB and hbz) that link incorrectly. I've created a GND for David Power (Q59273425): British archaeologist and informed the Bavarian State Library. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Peirol

Hi! Peire d'Auvergne (Q2426639) and Peirol (Q2426784) share https://d-nb.info/gnd/100967507, but BNF and others have different IDs. Could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 10:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, the two troubadours should be separated. This case has already been reported, see de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/August_2022#Todesjahr bis einschließlich 1850, no. 22. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Jacqueline Cohen

Do you think Jacqueline Cohen (Q3157693) and Jacqueline Cohen (Q95754477) should be merged? They share many IDs and, most important, the activity field seem to overlap, although the name is quite common, I guess. Thanks, --Epìdosis 11:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC) P.S. I have cleaned a dozen of items through Property talk:P227/Duplicates/humans, just created

Thank you for reminding. This is an open case, see Talk:Q95754477. As far as I remember, there are at least two people with that name. This merge might needs to be undone. Kolja21 (talk) 13:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
BTW: Marking an item as conflation seems to help little. I've start a list with the unsolved cases: Property talk:P227/Conflation. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Die VIAF …

Ich verstehe es nicht. Ich verstehe es einfach nicht.

VIAF:235673559 schnappt sich Wettenburg (Q1751253) Wenn du dort in die Versionsgeschichte guckst, dann wurde diese VIAF im Juni 2021 dort entfernt, ein "verschieden von" Q19834038 eingetragen und im selben Juni 2021 diese VIAF und die GND zugeordnet. Trotzdem beharrt der VIAF-Datensatz auf den nicht gar so richtigen Eintrag.

Was soll man denn noch machen? Einbeinig rückwärts im Kreis tanzen? --Wurgl (talk) 08:02, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Die Wege des Algorithmus sind unergründlich. Das OCLC, Inc. (Q190593) lässt sich nicht in die Karten schauen. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Wenigstens in dewp hätten wir streng sein können: VIAF auf der Normdaten-Vorlage rausschmeißen, als Weblink sperren und Simplicius-Spam mit VIAF als Relevanz-Quelle (ihr Lösch-Nazis !!!) sofort zu löschen.

Robert Justin Goldstein: GND-Fehler

Hallo Kolja21,

bitte sag mir, wenn ich dich nicht als kurzen Dienstweg zur DNB benutzen soll ;) Ich arbeite gerade an Robert Justin Goldstein (Q93258495) und Robert Justin Goldstein (Q112542514).

Das Buch "Buntbarsche" ist falsch zu geordnet, gehört zu dem hier († 2021).

Viele Grüße, Wandruszka (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hallo @Wandruszka: danke für den Hinweis. Ich habe den falsch verknüpften Titel auf de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/September 2022 eingetragen. In Wikidata sind mindestens zwei Personen vermischt, siehe Talk:Q93258495. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Die beiden Personen sind jetzt klar getrennt. Grazie @User:Epìdosis. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Giovanna Testa

Could you check if I added correctly GND in Giovanna Testa (Q114156400)? It contains few information, so I'm not completely sure. Thanks, --Epìdosis 09:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done GND created for The NGFR100W mutation ... (2019) = same person. I've added the year of birth. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

GND

Hallo, wie du siehst, mache ich gerade mal wieder einen Durchlauf durch "ÖBL ohne GND". Es sind nur noch ganz wenige, die übrig bleiben. Die aufgefallenen Fehler in der GND melde ich direkt über das Kontaktformular, bisher glaube ich 5, davon meist Zahlendreher in Jahreszahlen. Wenn ich mich irgendwo verklickt haben sollte, bitte einfach revertieren... Herzlichen Gruß --Anvilaquarius (talk) 11:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Hallo @Anvilaquarius: ADB und NDB sind ja schon seit längerem erfasst. Jetzt scheint die Österreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften gezielt für das ÖBL Normdatensätze anzulegen. Das ist ein großer Fortschritt. Und danke, dass du dich auch gleich noch um die Korrekturen kümmerst. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Es sind nur noch 89 übrig... https://w.wiki/5kEA --Anvilaquarius (talk) 12:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC) PS: FÜr Österreichisches Musiklexikon Online ID (P8432) waren die wohl auch tätig. Das Lexikon hatte ich damals komplett gematcht (nur für die schon in WD vorhandenen), ich schau auch da mal wegen der GND drüber. --Anvilaquarius (talk) 12:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Anvilaquarius: … "nur für die schon in WD vorhandenen" ist ein interessanter Punkt. Fehlen noch viele Personen aus ÖBL oder OeML in Wikidata? Wenn, wäre es natürlich gut, sie gleich mit einzuspielen. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
ÖBL nein, ich habe heute etwas daran gearbeitet, jetzt sollten es (laut MnM-Katalog) noch 23 sein. Das Matching für ÖBL ist wegen der zum Teil etwas originellen Ansetzungsformen recht mühsam. OeML vermutlich einige hundert (MnM), die genaue Zahl ist schwer zu bestimmen, weil in vielen Artikeln eine Vielzahl von Personen beschrieben werden. --Emu (talk) 13:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
OeML ist schwer zu sagen, da sind viele Familienartikel mit noch dem letzten Cousin drin, der mal ne Blockflöte besaß oder in einer Kneipe fiedelte... außerdem viele Sachthemen, die nicht unbedingt 1:1 zu matchen sind. OeBL ist fast fertig. --Anvilaquarius (talk) 13:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Ich hab die restlichen OeBL noch angelegt. Die Journalistenfamilie Wolf und die Glasfabrikantenfamilie Zahn mitsamt der Verwandtschaften, und selbst der Geologe Wolsegger hatte schon zwei Brüder in Wikidata... Was man da so alles erfährt... Ich sag nur: "Karl Z.s Nichte und Ehefrau, die Glasfabrikantin Gisela Z."... --Anvilaquarius (talk) 14:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Super, danke! Die Printedition des ÖBL wird übrigens nach 65 Jahren Ende des Jahres 2022 abgeschlossen. Es ist also damit zu rechnen, dass ein größerer Schwung an Artikeln in den nächsten Monaten kommt. --Emu (talk) 14:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Antonio Gargano

Who's https://viaf.org/viaf/309716887/#Gargano,_Antonio? Maybe Antonio Gargano (Q114244431)? Thanks, --Epìdosis 10:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Could be. Looks like an abandoned identifier. I couldn't find a book linked to this ID, see https://stabikat.de/. I'll try again later. (There are 12 titles that need to be checked.) --Kolja21 (talk) 10:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Found him: Antonio Gargano, editor of Serie orientale Roma (a book from 1959). I'll guess it's Antonio Gargano (Q114244417): Italian indologist (1914-1997). --Kolja21 (talk) 11:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes, surely. --Epìdosis 11:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Information added to GND 1055746854 (no longer ambiguous). Thanks for the hint. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Anna Maria Di Tolla

Hi! https://d-nb.info/gnd/1055031561 has a date with no source and seemingly very wrong. Could you correct it? Thanks! --Epìdosis 17:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Annoying, looks like a typo and NA ČR cites GND as source. Errors spread faster than corrections. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
I know, unfortunately ... I used the feedback function to report to NKC, I hope it works :( --Epìdosis 21:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Thanks for looking so closely. It was a typo. Year of birth 1936: Luigi Serra (Q114254192): Italian orientalist (1936-). Year of birth 1959: Anna Maria Di Tolla (Q63220534): Italian africanist (1959-). -- Kolja21 (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Francesco Chianese

GND correctly distinguishes the two persons, but for some reason https://viaf.org/viaf/5192159477737927990002/ has under the cinema-related one the work of the literary scholar. Could you check in GND? Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I've add the year of birth to Francesco Chianese (Q114247369): Italian literary scholar (1979-) but this is not sufficient for VIAF. His book "Mio padre si sta facendo un individuo problematico" is linked by libraries to Francesco Chianese (Q95821952): no description. I can't correct errors in K10plus (Q100884768). -- Kolja21 (talk) 05:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Federica Fontana

Unfortunately 3 different Federica Fontana wrote about antiquity ... as of now SBN knows only one (see works), as well as GND (https://d-nb.info/gnd/105254682X). I will fix SBN on Monday (but it will become visible after weeks); disentangling is fairly easy, fortunately: all the works that you see in SBN are effectively by the main author, Federica Fontana (Q114177948) (archaeologist, Trieste), with a few exceptions, as follows; the work about Fliunte is the only one by Federica Fontana (Q114178385) (historian, Bari; known by GND); the works about Mesolitico are the only ones by Federica Fontana (Q96001825) (prehistorian, Ferrara). Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I've created GND 1268815411 for the archaeologist. Please ping me when SBN become visible. Then I will add more information and create the GND for the prehistorian. Without a year of birth, it's indeed a difficult case worth working on. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
For clarification: Tra autonomia locale e dinamiche regionali (2014) was written by whom? --Kolja21 (talk) 00:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Federica Fontana (Q114178385). --Epìdosis 08:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
I've added therefore the Vatican Library VcBA ID: Q114178385#P8034. Shoud I mark the ID as conflation? -- Kolja21 (talk) 16:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Of course, marked as conflation. For SBN, it will take weeks (to have it visible) unfortunately but I will return back here :) --Epìdosis 23:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Update: SBN now shows all the Federica Fontana authority IDs with respective publications, according to my edits. --Epìdosis 17:29, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done I've created GND 1269845624 for Federica Fontana (Q96001825): Italian prehistorian. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Giuseppe Giordano

GND knows a Giuseppe Giordano affiliated to the University of Salerno (https://d-nb.info/gnd/138279713), but Wikidata knows two (Giuseppe Giordano (Q64515412) and Giuseppe Giordano (Q111804455)) ... which one is it? Thanks! --Epìdosis 19:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

GND 138279713 (DE-206‏) is linked to 9 titles. I will check them tomorrow. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done GND 138279713 = Giuseppe Giordano (Q64515412): Italian statistician (1967-). --Kolja21 (talk) 10:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Giovanni Chiarini

Hi! Here https://viaf.org/viaf/77200125/ it seems that GND attributes to the wrong Giovanni Chiarini a publication clearly authored by Giovanni Chiarini (Q114443205): Italian germanist (1939-). Could you check? Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC) P.S. On Giovanni Chiarini SBN can be significantly improve, I will intervene tomorrow but it will become visible in a month as usual (argh ...)

Thanks. I've filed a report. Will be corrected in a year as usual (not a technical but a workflow problem). --Kolja21 (talk) 00:06, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Antonio Rainone

As a consequence of the confusion in SBN (and elsewhere), https://d-nb.info/gnd/1203658079 mixes two Antonio Rainone both active in (different fields of) philosophy: Larino 1947 was active in Paris on political philosophy (but is not a historian) and Lacan; Napoli 1955 is active in Napoli L'Orientale (not Federico II) on logic and philosophy of science and is a cinephile. Wikidata is now clean, SBN will be tomorrow (but visibly only in a month, as always) ... could you have a look at GND? I should be able to say which publications belong to which person. Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

So there are two authors:
GND 1203658079 was created for the author of Dal cinema popolare al cinema d'autore (2019). B3Kat is linked to Capire il comportamento umano (2019) and La sartoria di Lacan (2022). --Kolja21 (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Perfect. By 1955 are Dal cinema popolare al cinema d'autore and Capire il comportamento umano, by 1947 is La sartoria di Lacan. --Epìdosis 13:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Please take a look. The two authors should be clearly separated now. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Yes, perfect. --Epìdosis 20:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Paolo Giordano

Hi. Long time no see, I am cleaning items of Paolo Giordano with User:Epìdosis and I am quite sure this GND item is merging the description of an architect active in Naples (born 1956) Q114598271 with another one active near Venice, who recently died and was born in 1948, that is Q114597345. Could you please fix it? We are improving both items the best we can. Alexmar983 (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Paolo Giordano (Q114597345): Italian architect (1948-) <-> Paolo Giordano (Q114598271): Italian architect (1956-) <-> Paolo Giordano (Q114598445): Italian architect (1963-2022) (the one died recently was born in 1963, not 1948). --Epìdosis 19:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
yes, sorry, still polishing here...--Alexmar983 (talk) 19:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
GND 132913852: Paolo Giordano (b. 1948), active in Naples Docente di disegno dell'architettura presso la Seconda Università di Napoli
He and Paolo Giordano, b. 1956 (GND 1270042009) are now separated but all titles are linked to Paolo Giordano (b. 1948).
--Kolja21 (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Complex case. LCAuth n88249954 in fact is not an architect, but Paolo A. Giordano (Q114597424): Italian literary scholar (1948-), so should be moved away; ULAN 500230717 surely belongs to 1948, but in fact the architect born in 1948 is only known by ULAN (and AKL), so we have no source attributing publications to this person, which is totally unknown to SBN; per IRIS UNICAMPANIA, L’Albergo dei Poveri a Napoli (present in Bayern and in Kubikat); Plasmare un’identità famigliare (present in Kubikat), as of this pdf, has only Livio Pestilli among its authors, not a Paolo Giordano; let's finally go to the 16 titles of B3Kat: La stazione zoologica, Il disegno dell'architettura funebre, Il disego di un uomo (please fix: disegno), Il giardino inglese della Reggia di Caserta, L'Albergo dei Poveri a Napoli, Ferdinando Fuga a Napoli, Il Palazzo delle Poste, Il Cimitero delle 366 fosse, Le tre architetture sociali, Napoli are surely by 1956 per IRIS UNICAMPANIA, all the others are highly probably of the same 1956 per the similarity of topics and the fact that in fact we know no publication surely by 1948. --Epìdosis 07:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
In sum: LC belongs to a homonym Paolo Giordano born in 1948; all the publications belong, until contrary evidence, to the architect born in 1956; as of the architect born in 1948, probably the only way to discover more about him would be reading AKL, but I don't have access :( --Epìdosis 07:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
AKL Online: Giordano, Paolo (b. 1948), Italian architect. Bibliography: "Arte in 3:1990(5)32-33." There is no more information. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Update: GND 132913852: Paolo Giordano (b. 1948), Docente di disegno dell'architettura presso la Seconda Università di Napoli
--Kolja21 (talk) 12:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
PS: Unfortunately, I cannot create redirects. Imho conflated GNDs should not be corrected but removed. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Mathias Karl Ehrlich

A quick fix needed for this 1735 (https://d-nb.info/gnd/1018477934), I guess. Thanks! --Epìdosis 07:56, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Mathias Karl Ehrlich (Q95023245): I can't fix this typo. (I have access only to the main data fields.) I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Mario Marini

I have just undone this edit by @Pperez333: (whom I would like to thank, anyway, for the idea of the import from GND!) because I think Mario Marini (Q110822474) is alive and was clearly confounded with Marino Marini (Q703980). Could you check? Thanks, --Epìdosis 20:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

A bizarre conflation. I will check the GND later again. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
I guess GND 119523744 was created for Mario Marini (b. 1955) and later mixed with Mario Marino Marini (1901-1980). Now it will be turned into a redirect for Marino Marini (1901-1980). --Kolja21 (talk) 10:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
New ID for Mario Marini (b. 1955): GND 1271571536. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:54, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks @Epidosis for detecting this.
Actually, I was thinking about doing some more magic with OpenRefine and try to provide GND IDs to those record who do not have it through VIAF or ISNI :D. Did not find the time, though :(. GND could provide quite some information to complement automatically what we have in Wikidata. Pperez333 (talk) 07:12, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
@Pperez333: This would be great! (There are still a lot of GNDs missing.) Thanks in advance. --Kolja21 (talk) 10:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Well, I did what I could today with information from the Spanish BNE (which gave me GND.) I also added VIAF and ISNI where they were missing :D. Quite a process however, there should be a better reconciliation among all those different sources. Pperez333 (talk) 16:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Luigi Balbi

In Luigi Balbi (Q20005281) 1585-1621, reported by GND as birth-death, should probably be a floruit. Thanks, --Epìdosis 09:49, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done --Kolja21 (talk) 00:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Ernst Zernecke

allo Kolja,

die Lebensdaten von Ernst Zernecke (Q115046570) waren mMn als floruit zu verstehen – sonst wäre der Zoologe mit gerade mal 18 Jahren verstorben.-- Ziegenbrätchen (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Besten Dank für die Korrektur! --Kolja21 (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Herbert Lindenberg

Herbert Lindenberg (Q95820672) seems to be both a costumist and a writer on cyclo-tourism ... maybe two different persons? --Epìdosis 18:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

A good hit. I've got his book: Polen per Rad by Herbert Lindenberg (Q115094521). I'll take care of the wrong merge. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
PS: ISNI 0000 0000 5528 3731 b. 1951. Münster, Med. F., Diss. v. 4. Mai 1948. That's a third person mixed. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:44, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
PPS: IMDb mixed up with a person named "Hubert Lindenberg". I need more time and will look at this again later. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done Now there are three items for the three Herbert Lindenbergs. I've filed a report about the incorrectly linked title. No information about a "Hubert Lindenberg". (Looks like a typo.) --Kolja21 (talk) 23:35, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Melchior von Neuss

https://d-nb.info/gnd/129324531 should probably have activity dates, not birth-death dates. Thanks! --Epìdosis 22:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't edit GNDs with additions in brackets "(Geburtsjahr ca.)". I've only access to the standard data fields. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Massimo Lauria

https://d-nb.info/gnd/1020492589 should be a man :) --Epìdosis 11:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Massimo Lauria (Q115115164): Italian journalist (1979-). Grazie per il suggerimento. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Noraini Ahmad

Noraini Ahmad (Q7050236) I'm unable to verify this VIAF (= GND) match, but it seems very risky. Could you check and remove all if necessary? Thanks, --Epìdosis 23:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The GND was indeed mismatched. GND 1158269129 = Noraini Ahmad, author of Petua nona TV 3 (1991). @Jeluang Terluang: Can you confirm that she is identical with Noraini Ahmad (Q105073826): Malaysian writer? --Kolja21 (talk) 23:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
She should be the author of the book. — Jeluang Terluang (talk) 11:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Harald Völker

I have just created Harald Völker (Q115126745): German hellenist and high school teacher for the author of https://books.google.it/books?id=fNd6QgAACAAJ, using the biography contained there; he is surely distinct from Harald Völker (Q115126697): German Romance philologist (1968-), but all authority files conflate the first into the much more famous second (see "Declamationes et orationes" and "Discours et Fragments" in https://viaf.org/viaf/34734867/). For the first GND seemingly doesn't have an ID and this is probably among the reasons of the confusion; could you create one (maybe finding the exact birth date)? I have just solved the conflation in SBN, but of course my edit is not visible yet. Thanks! --Epìdosis 12:28, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

It's a one-book-author. Thanks for the good research! I've created GND 1272300447 and filed a report for the book. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Christian Hülsen

https://d-nb.info/gnd/117048879 Berlin should be birth place. Thanks! --Epìdosis 07:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Thanks. I've added Charlottenburg as place of birth. (Till 1920 an independent city.) --Kolja21 (talk) 11:44, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

"Jude Watson" (Q458860)

Hi, Kolja. Just now I discovered you are the latest editor here 2022-10-22. Partly following your example I specified for Library of Congress Authorities

  • subject named as: Blundell, Judy
  • subject named as: Cray, Jordan
  • subject named as: Watson, Jude

Those are the full headings at LCCN.loc.gov. Certainly I have previously completed this qualifier with short natural names such as "Jude Watson". Should we always copy-paste the Authority heading, which always begins with family name; and is sometimes long, such as "Kerr, Frank R. (Frank Robison), 1889-" (at NLA); or a famous one "King, Martin Luther, Jr., 1929-1968" (at LCCN)?

P.S. Now we need to merge with "Jordan Cray" (Q1703611). --P64 (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi P64, yes, please always use the original spelling of the source. Before merging the two items we need to fix de:Jordan Cray. I've opened a merge discussion on the German WP. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
So should I never "Merge" here at Wikidata [I have done some Merge without checking], if I see that one of the Wikipedias has two separate articles? --P64 (talk) 03:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Don't worry. You can't merge two items if there are two separate articles. One item can't have more than one link to deWP. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Andrea Fehringer

Are there truly two persons, one born in 1959 and the other in 1978? Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I doubt it. 1978 seems to be the begin of her work period. --Emu (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done @Vojtěch Dostál: I've merged the two items into Andrea Fehringer (Q493862). Like Emu said: "Andrea Fehringer ist seit 1978 als Journalistin und Autorin tätig ..."[6] Největší smolaři století = Die größten Pechvögel des Jahrhunderts (1999). --Kolja21 (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. It might be that someone swapped the date of birth with work period. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 07:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Nicolas Aubin

https://d-nb.info/gnd/1059894254 this 1989 seems an error for 1975. Could you check? Thanks, --Epìdosis 22:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

There are two perons with that name. Nicolas Aubin (Q95222275): French historian (1975-) mixed with Nicolas Aubin (b. 1989) = IdRef 22622080X. I will try to seperate them. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
✓ Done I've corrected GND 1059894254 and created Nicolas Aubin (Q115202617) (b. 1989). --Kolja21 (talk) 03:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Michael Teitelbaum (Q112369511)

Kolja, Tonight I learned some things about this man (2022-11-13, working primarily at ISFDB.org where I have some Author update in the long submission queue) and I have much expanded the Wikidata item. Any direction on these points will be welcome --and will influence my Wikidata contributions in the future, of course.

  1. Library of Congress LCCN n84150470 does not explicitly give a birthdate for Teitelbaum, but does note that two different birthdates 1961 and 1953-04-23 have been submitted in the past (by MT, or more likely his publishers). Is it useful here at Wikidata that I add two conflicting date of birth (DoB) statements with the same reference (LCNAF; n84150470)?
  2. (or 1b) Perhaps I should not add any DoB statement with reference LCNAF, where LCNAF reports such data in its notes but does not complete the DoB field. Certainly I have added such DoB statements in the past, citing LCNAF for its notes ("Sources" at id.loc.gov which Wikidata links; "Found in" at lccn.loc.gov which i use). What do you think?
  3. By examination at VIAF, I know that many national library records for Michael Teitelbaum are in one cluster together because they cite no DOB or they cite DoB 1961 (BR, CZ, DE, ...). I don't know that DoB 1953-04-23 is correct, but from the resume at LinkedIn.org I know that it's plausible and 1961 is not plausible. Probably 1961 originates as a false date submitted to LC (by the publisher of) 1993 Welcome to Jurassic Park [as by "Mike" Teitelbaum], but many national libraries have followed. Authority records ES/Spain (as 1953-) and PT/Portugal (as "Mike") have been left out of the cluster. Is it appropriate for me to extend our "VIAF ID" statements as I have done tonight? (where i don't feel comfortable with any "preferred rank" or "subject names as", by the way)
  4. I added both "Portuguese National Library ID" statements --with "subject named as" and without preferred rank. Is that helpful? Should it be improved?
  5. I added "ISFDB author ID" (having content in the ISFDB submission queue) and "Encyclopedia of Science Fiction ID" (which I will notify after resolution: eg, "Here is why i think 1953 is correct, ...").
  6. Probably Wikidata should not track all of the alternate name ID at ISFDB. Thus I did not add ISFDB ID #7568 as Mike Teitelbaum, which will be relegated (with same stable ID#) to "alternate name" at ISFDB after my submission there is accepted.
  7. At VIAF.org, Teitelbaum DE/Germany [7] provides a link back to "VIAF cluster" rather than to the DNB record for Teitelbaum. What is the interpretation?
  8. At VIAF.org, Teitelbaum DE/Germany gives heading in field 100, but Teitelbaum PT/Portugal [8] gives heading in field 200. What is the interpretation and which should be preferred for "subject named as" value?

If more convenient or appropriate for you, any incomplete reply at Wikipedia User talk is welcome. And slow reply is OK if not welcome ;--)
--P64 (talk) 04:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

1. I hope that LCAuth n84150470 did not merge two authors. If Dinosaurs of the land, sea, and air and Baseball are both by Michael Teitelbaum (Q112369511): American writer, editor, and packager of children's books and magazines you can add both dates (b. 1961 and b. Apr. 23, 1953).
7. VIAF should show the link to the DNB record but sometimes it doesn't. Just try later again. --Kolja21 (talk) 04:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
I've added some infos to Michael Teitelbaum (Q112369511). You only need to add subject named as (P1810) if there are two IDs or an unusual spelling. (Don't search in VIAF, just click on the source.) "Michael Teitelbaum" isn't a common writer. It might by the pen name for a small business that produces books for the mass market. Kolja21 (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Nicht auflösende GND-Identifikatoren

Hallo Kolja21 und @Wurgl, im Zuge meines Botlautes habe ich noch ca. 700 GND-Identifikatoren hier in Wikidata gefunden, die zwar das richtige Format haben, aber überhaupt nicht auflösen (HTTP Status 404); Beispiel: Q111477652#Q111477652$aa2b4d14-4858-8fa9-7cf4-6c8ec39628eb. Was machen wir damit? Erstmal eine Liste schreiben und schauen, was das Problem ist?

Wir haben zurzeit nur 10 solche Fälle ausgezeichnet [9] und machen das per missbilligtem Rang und Qualifikator reason for deprecated rank (P2241): withdrawn identifier value (Q21441764) ("zurückgezogen" unterstellt, dass der Identifikator mal irgendwie existierte und korrekt war, was nicht notwendigerweise der Fall sein muss). Ist das okay so, oder von vornherein eine schlechte Idee? —MisterSynergy (talk) 23:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Du kannst bei etlichen gucken, ob statt https://d-nb.info/gnd/171532776/ die URL https://d-nb.info/171532776/ klappt (hier nicht). Wenn es klappern würde, wäre es eine Katalognummer.
Bei denen wo es nicht klappt, ist Datenarchäologie angesagt. https://d-nb.info/gnd/1171532776 wäre da wohl passend, die führende 1 ist da durch copy-paste-lose verloren gegangen. --Wurgl (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Ich gebe die Frage mal an User:M2k~dewiki weiter. Wieso ist bei dem Eintrag der GND eine Ziffer verloren gegangen (GND 171532776 statt 1171532776)? Handelt es sich um einen Importfehler aus VIAF oder stammt die fehlerhafte GND aus dem mittlerweile gelöschten Artikel de:Forum Junge Anwaltschaft? Ich vermute, wie Wurgel, einen Copy&Paste-Fehler in Wikipedia. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Im Fall von d:Q111477652 wurde die GND per Copy-Paste aus dem Artikel de:Forum Junge Anwaltschaft übernommen. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 15:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Es ging mir eigentlich nicht um diesen Fall im Speziellen, sondern wie wir mit der Gesamtheit von rund 700 Fällen umgehen möchten. Gleich im Datenobjekt auszeichnen, oder irgendwo im Projektnamensraum eine Arbeitsliste anlegen? ---MisterSynergy (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Danke, dann ist der Grund für den Fehler klar. (Wäre der Artikel nicht gelöscht worden, wäre die GND in einer Wartungsliste aufgetaucht.) @MisterSynergy: Ich befürchte, es führt kein Weg an der Liste vorbei, obwohl 700 GNDs natürlich Zeit brauchen, wenn man sie "intellektuell", wie es bei den Bibliotheken heißt, abarbeiten muss. Die zehn Fälle von "zurückgezogener Identifikator" stammen vermutlich von mir. Wenn dort als Fundstelle lediglich "importiert aus Wikimedia-Projekt: deutschsprachige Wikipedia" steht, kann man sie löschen. Beispiel: Q15134648#P227. (Die selten Fälle, in denen eine GND ersatzlos gestichen wurde, sind auf der Seite de:Benutzer:Wurgl/Fehler GND/Kommentiert#GND wurde gelöscht dokumentiert.) "Gleich im Datenobjekt auszeichnen" würde dazu führen, dass die Fehler ewig stehen bleiben, oder dass derjenige, der die fehlerhaften Einträge löscht, unnötig Ärger bekommt. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Alles klar, ich mache eine Liste. Ist nicht aufwändig, aber ich weiß noch nicht ob ich es heute noch schaffe. ---MisterSynergy (talk) 15:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Super. Danke schon mal! Analog zu Property talk:P227/Conflation bietet sich für Liste z.B. der Name "Property talk:P227/incorrect identifier value" an. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Property talk:P227/incorrect identifier value. Es sind zum Glück erstmal nur 525 Fälle, ich hatte das leicht überschätzt. Zurzeit gibt es keinen Automatismus zur Aktualisierung, ich kann das aber recht schnell einrichten falls erwünscht. Wir sollten aber erstmal besser einschätzen, was da überhaupt passiert. —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy Ich habe ein bisschen hineingeschaut – könntest du vielleicht nach instance of (P31) differenzieren, zumindest human (Q5) und Rest? Soweit ich sehe, ist es bei Organisationen öfters die Pseudo-ID von VIAF (Beispiel: Peter McLeavey Gallery (Q115198257)). Das könnte man vielleicht sogar halb-automatisch erledigen. Bei Personen fehlt offenbar wirklich öfters eine Ziffer. --Emu (talk) 22:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Auf die Schnelle kann ich Dir das manuell auflisten: Datenobjekte über Menschen aus der "incorrect identifier value"-Liste sind diese (106 insgesamt): Q624491, Q686070, Q790942, Q1403698, Q2011803, Q2019061, Q2840581, Q2901108, Q2929508, Q3093638, Q3501981, Q3764181, Q3768417, Q4289338, Q4519957, Q5108511, Q5222351, Q5416366, Q6113093, Q6172765, Q6419984, Q9027844, Q11076240, Q11935647, Q12255666, Q12352093, Q12866582, Q15430808, Q16196090, Q16273115, Q17030494, Q17031771, Q18391607, Q18670877, Q18720174, Q18758542, Q20525359, Q20716435, Q21281077, Q22443695, Q26270158, Q26270320, Q28007399, Q31083826, Q34763780, Q41791790, Q44141116, Q50568231, Q55072289, Q55229385, Q55851489, Q56235672, Q56350909, Q56812197, Q60440545, Q60841642, Q63157778, Q63440169, Q68580759, Q75156791, Q77059608, Q79435596, Q87625617, Q87815408, Q88037574, Q88219780, Q92413045, Q93017295, Q95648057, Q95745509, Q95750161, Q95763582, Q95774472, Q95894367, Q97172249, Q97302445, Q97478985, Q98958972, Q99479788, Q102169649, Q102306994, Q102650628, Q104005565, Q105064645, Q105422866, Q105525933, Q105622933, Q105724334, Q105907060, Q106180787, Q106925948, Q107399014, Q107410913, Q107421428, Q108811158, Q109480300, Q110524190, Q110881100, Q111355553, Q111805419, Q111958163, Q113512463, Q113517797, Q113861509, Q114455584, Q115039761. —MisterSynergy (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Ich bin auch gerade an der Liste. Häufig liegt eine Verwechslung mit DNB edition ID (P1292) vor. Zurückgezogen wurde die GND bei Q95763582 (J. Billitu). Ich habe nichts über einen gleichnamigen Schriftsteller gefunden. Imho kann man das Objekt löschen. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Billitu ist gelöscht.
  • Auf Wunsch kann ich die Liste aktualisieren. Sonst kann ja ggf. auch jemand von unten anfangen abzuarbeiten. Erledigtes rausstreichen ist auch okay.
  • Falls es noch nicht alle kennen: fürs hin- und herschieben von Aussagen inkl. Qualifikatoren und Fundstellen, entweder zwischen verschiedenen Datenobjekten oder zwischen verschiedenen Eigenschaften innerhalb eines Datenobjektes, kann das "moveClaim"-Gadget aus Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets ganz hilfreich sein.
—MisterSynergy (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Pau Donés (Q1403698): 135168481 scheint auch zurückgezogen worden zu sein? Jedenfalls geht die Bearbeitung der Personen gut von der Hand, das kann ich in schicklicher Frist auch manuell machen. --Emu (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Die gelöschte GND 135168481 für Jarabe de Palo aka Pau Donés (Wirklicher Name) ging auf einen Fehler zurück, der sich auch in LCAuth n2018062854 findet: "De Palo, Jarabe" (der Name seiner Band) als Person angesetzt. Da es sich um eine Vermischung zweier GND-Typen (Person vs. Körperschaft) handelte, wurde die GND nicht in eine Weiterleitung auf die Band umgewandelt, sondern gelöscht. Das kommt, wie gesagt, selten vor. Der Fall ist erledigt. Eine GND für den Musiker habe ich angelegt. @Emu: Bin gespannt, ob du noch mehr solcher Fehler findest. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Ich bin recht weit. Viel DNB- statt GND-Links, viele Vertipper, eine kleine Serie an Fehlimporten von der spanischen Normdatenbank, einmal einige Male habe ich etwas gelöscht, weil GND/Filmportal gelöscht wurden. Q95648057 ist datenforensisch interessant, vor allem mit Blick auf VIAF 5664147786771968220002. --Emu (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Sollte soweit erledigt sein. Eine Person wegen fehlender WD:N-igkeit gelöscht. --Emu (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Wie, schon alle Meldungen abgearbeitet? Kolja21 (talk) 22:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Ah, du meinst offenbar die oben genannten Personen. Danke, dass du gleich die Meldungen an der GND-Redaktion mit verfasst hast! Kolja21 (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Den Hinweis !!!Gesperrt!!! kenne ich von automatisch eingespielten Datensätzen, die nicht nur schwach individualisiert, sondern mit einem falsch Typ versehen waren. In diesen Fällen wird keine Weiterleitung angelegt. Tp 1117054853 wurde vermutlich für Riding the rails (1948) angelegt, ein Kinderbuch das, wiederrum vermutlich, von Elizabeth Olds (Q5363286) (mit "z" geschrieben) illustriert wurde. Q95648057 (Elisabeth Olds) kann gelöscht werden. Kolja21 (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Paolo Gasparini

https://d-nb.info/gnd/132818264 has two problems: he died in 1966, not 1986; the only publication connected belongs to https://d-nb.info/gnd/1053138695. Thanks, --Epìdosis 17:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Paolo Gasparini (Q115286201): Italian hydraulic engineer (1887-1966) = GND 132818264 (DE-255), Kubikat
  • AKL Online says that the engineer died 1986. I've add the note "abweichendes Todesjahr: 1966" (different year of death: 1966).
✓ Done Paolo Gasparini (Q58058196): Italian geologist and volcanologist (1937-2016) = GND 1053138695

Visible SBN

Hi (also @Jahl de Vautban:, who is probably interested)! Just a relevant good news: after months of persuasion, the total visibility of SBN authority of persons and organizations, represented here by SBN author ID (P396), has finally been achieved. Although as of now this visibility happens through a provisional formatter URL, the result is very important because it makes visible much work done by librarians which wasn't publicly available previously. So now all the IDs found in Wikidata can be seen in SBN (and not only the records connected to them, as happened before). BTW, for what concerns the edits made inside SBN, it is still true that they are synchronized with SBN once a month, so they aren't immediately visible but they become so in a month. Enjoy! --Epìdosis 11:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Eratosthenes

Hallo! Es gibt einen Fehler in GND 119269120 = Eratosthenes (Q115449645): RE-Nummer is 5, nicht 6. Danke! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Danke für den Hinweis! Ich habe die fehlerhafte Quellenangabe auf de:WP:GND/F eingetragen. (Wahrscheinlich ist es nur ein Tippfehler, aber das muss die Bayerische Staatsbibliothek noch mal überprüfen.) --Kolja21 (talk) 15:15, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Danke! Sorry, ich habe geglaubt, dass du die Änderungsrechte hatte für kleinen Fehlere. Nächste Mal wird ich direkt am WPDE schreiben. :) --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 20:30, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Normaler Weise mache ich das auch, aber bei Personen aus der Antike halte ich mich zurück. Vielleicht hat die Bayerische Staatsbibliothek noch irgendeine Liste oder Akten, wo der Fehler auftaucht. Bei Zahlendrehern und anderen Tippfehlern kannst du mich gerne weiterhin direkt anschreiben. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Re: Strange merge

Copy for user page: Hi BohemianRhapsody, why did you merge "trade union movement" (Q59243156) with syndicalism (Q49780)? The new item is now a conflation with two GND ID (P227). In enWP en:trade union movement → labour movement (Q208701). --Kolja21 (talk) 19:04, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kolja, thanks for your message. I cannot understand German and the difference between the two GND items, can you explain it to me? In fact in the en.wiki page you were citing, the incipit is saying that "trade union movement" (or "labor union movement") is one of the two wings of the "labour movement", so it's true that is a redirect, ma it isn't the same concept. As for the languages that I'm able to understand (es, fr), it seems to me that the merge is correct and that the object is the same: the movement with the aim to organize workers into trade unions. --BohemianRhapsody (talk) 22:47, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

@BohemianRhapsody: GND uses the same differentiation as it has been used here. topic's main category (P910):
You just have a look at the item: Q49780#P910. This sign is an error message. You have to be radical and merge the categories as well.
--Kolja21 (talk) 23:15, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Zenker's

Jörg Zenker (Q95883035) and Jörg Zenker (Q95778403) are mixed up in GND.-- Lavinehund (talk) 11:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Offenbar hat man zwei Datensätze fälschlich zusammengelegt, nämlich:
Ich habe beim ersten Hinschauen ehrlich gesagt auch angenommen, dass es sich um dieselbe Person handelt … --Emu (talk) 12:26, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Da der Selbstverleger schreibt, dass er auch "Theatermensch" sei, war die Verwechslung leider naheliegend. Ich habe die GND für den Maskenbildner auf die ursprüngliche Fassung zurückgesetzt, für den Verleger/Kinderbuchautor eine neue GND angelegt und den falsch verknüpften Titel gemeldet. (Fehlerhafte Weiterleitungen werden von der GND-Red. leider nicht zurückgesetzt; daher habe ich GND 1062350928 gelöscht.) --Kolja21 (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Luigi Ventura

https://d-nb.info/gnd/171131037 merges two different university professors, the jurist of the University of Catanzaro (Luigi Ventura (Q115604639): Italian jurist (1947-)) and the economist of the Sapienza University (Luigi Ventura (Q56516112): Italian economist (1966-)). Could you disentangle? Thanks! --Epìdosis 09:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! GND 171131037 (jurist) has been linked to the wrong ORCID and the description ("Weitere Angaben") was wrongly added. Right? I've removed the additions, added the year of birth (OPAC SBN) and created GND 1274708397 for the economist. Can you please check if all the information is correct now? Kolja21 (talk) 18:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Everything fine now. Thanks again! --Epìdosis 19:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Alfonso D'Amato

The description in GND (American politician) seems very strange in comparison with Q85705403. Could you check? Thanks! --Epìdosis 18:31, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

It's an other conflation: Alfonso D'Amato (Q85705403): Italian Dominican preacher (1915-2002) vs. Al D'Amato (Q2064037): American politician. I'll see what I can do. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
The politician is ok but I can't solve the mixed GND 119236079 for the Dominican preacher. I've filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Unsinn der DNB?

Hallo Kolja,

weißt du, wer bei der DNB Mundart Burjatisch <Nischneudinsk> (Ninzne-Udinsk dialect (Q115755660) @ WD) erstellt hat? Möglicherweise existiert dieser Dialekt, der GND-Eintrag bleibt aber unnötig.

Viele Grüße-- Untergang der Germanic (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Hallo Untergang der Germanic, spannende Frage. Bei der DNB vermutlich niemand, da in deren Katalog keine Literatur mit dem Sachbegriff verknüpft ist. Ich vermute die Stabi Berlin als Ersteller, vgl. die Schrift über Die Herausbildung d. Mundart d. Burjäten v. Nishneudinsk (1999). --Kolja21 (talk) 21:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Das hast du wohl sehr zielgenau ermittelt. Kann man Q115755660 wieder löschen? Ich bezweifle, dass die Stabi Berlin das Buch von Valentin Rassadin (Q4390299) intensiv oder gar überhaupt gelesen hat.--Untergang der Germanic (talk) 21:19, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Dass der Satz "Möglicherweise existiert dieser Dialekt, der GND-Eintrag bleibt aber unnötig" in sich widersprüchlich ist, müsste dir eigentlich klar sein. LAs von Sockenpuppen werden in der Regel nicht gerne gesehen. Wer bist du? --Kolja21 (talk) 21:28, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
LAs von Sockenpuppen werden in der Regel nicht gerne gesehen.

Ich stelle doch gar keinen LA, sondern kontaktiere stattdessen dich als GND-Experten persönlich.

Wer bist du?

Meine Wikidata-Benutzernamen sind immer drollig (aber nicht "trollig"), und nach einigen Edits registrier ich mir einen neuen. War früher Teil einer Wikipedia-Fachredaktion: Kein Diskutant, nur Artikel.--Untergang der Germanic (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Aus der Physik-Redaktion? --Kolja21 (talk) 21:52, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

About Philippe Bernard (Q95785399) & his homonym

Hello,

The reason I created a new record for the actor was that https://viaf.org/viaf/32226168/ links to it, so my decision was to avoid that VIAF data may be reintroduced to the actor Qitem.

Given you’ve changed the split orientation, the risk exists again, so maybe you know how to contact VIAF & make them change the linking to the Qitem you’ve created (Philippe Bernard (Q115769005))? … and also remove the wrong DNB linking.

And by the way, is it right that VIAF ID is now marked as "conflation" in both Qitems?

Yours,

2A02:2788:228:93D:3DE9:CB2:68A:3FF1 10:43, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, the VIAF cluster contains the data of both persons, therefore it is noted on both items. VIAF is an algorithm. It is not a data base corrected by humans. Since the actor and the historian have a valid GND the chances are good that the error will be fixed. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Please don't remove deprecated statements

Please have a look at Help:Ranking#Deprecated_rank and restore the statements you removed recently. Multichill (talk) 01:16, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Multichill: 1. Please improve the list Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P227 ("Too many results. 5143 records skipped"). 2. Not only maintenance lists also many bots ignore deprecated rank (other databases like VIAF even more so). User:Wurgl can confirm that IDs that were marked as invalid were still misused. User:KrBot deletes old VIAF IDs, never cared for ranks and even overwrites statements with sources. So you should not worry about users that intellectually check, match and improve authority control data. Hallo @Emu: Kannst du unter den Admins anregen, dass man dieser starren Regelauslegung ein Ende bereitet? Ich bin auch dafür, dass man nicht blind Eigenschaften mit "missbilligter Rang" löscht (oft sind sie sinnvoll), aber im Rahmen von Wartungsarbeiten muss das möglich sein. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Someone should fix the bot that creates the report, but should do the trick. If bots misbehave, the bots should be fixed, not the other way around. These are not valid arguments to remove deprecated statements.
People (including me) use deprecated statements to be able to match things that still use the old identifier (for example on Commons or from external sources) or to document a mix up so it doesn't happen again. If these get removed this becomes impossible. We have this old RFC where the consensus seems also to keep them. Multichill (talk) 10:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
@Multichill Since I have been pinged: Which edits are we talking about? --Emu (talk) 09:33, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
@Emu: for example [13] & [14]. Multichill (talk) 10:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
@Multichill: This is exactly what I'm doing: Checking Wikipedia, Commons and external sources. I don't delete blindly wrong or outdated identifiers. The question in the RFC was: "Keep them stored or simply delete them?" I don't SIMPLY delete wrong or outdated IDs! @Emu: Dieser Punkt sollte geklärt werden, ansonsten muss ich die Wartungsarbeit in Wikidata einstellen und mich darauf beschränken, die Korrekturen in Wikipedia vorzunehmen. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:45, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
That's very good of you, but by removing the statements your destroying data that you might not be using, but others do. Wikidata is not Wikipedia, on Wikipedia you can remove it. Multichill (talk) 14:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Please don't tell me what I can do on Wikipedia. Do your work improving Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P227. By when will you have the job done? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm just pointing out that Wikipedia handles this slightly different than Wikidata. We're not talking about my (incorrect) edits here, we're talking about your (incorrect) edits. The fact anyone edits something or not is completely irrelevant. You don't have to make this personal.
As I pointed out before, the report at Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P227#"Single_value"_violations is incorrect because it doesn't take the ranks into account. You should get that fixed if you want to work on it.
Why is it so difficult to just let these statements be? They might not fit in your frame of mind, but they are useful to others. Multichill (talk) 16:24, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
@Multichill So you are confident that your change will fix the problem at Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P227#"Single_value"_violations? Would this be enough for you, @Kolja21? Or are there other reports or workflow that might need a fix? --Emu (talk) 23:14, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
@Multichill: If you don't want to make this personal don't use the revers button to impose your ideas. Your edits are causing problems on the maintenance lists, so it's your job to solve the problems you caused. --Kolja21 (talk) 09:51, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@Emu: I can not. Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P227 is maintained by a single user how refuses to open source code and to run it on a shared service. He sometimes implements things and sometimes just flat out refuses. This is a big liability for and an elephant in the room (Q3721305) for Wikidata.
@Kolja21: that's the world upside down. The reports should reflect what to fix so you can fix it. If the report is incorrect, you shouldn't be editing items to "fix" the report. I'm happy to see that correct reports have been set up. I think that solves everything, right? And to be clear: I appreciate you (and other) working on improving authority control data. Multichill (talk) 12:43, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
@Multichill: Thanks for the information you shared with Emu. Indeed the new list by MisterSynergy is a great help, but it doesn't solve the twistpunt/Streitpunkt (contentious point?) that there are cases where it is useful to delete statements with deprecated rank. Two examples: We mark IDs with applies to other person (Q35773207) or refers to different subject (Q28091153). In this case the problem needs to be solved. Same with undifferentiated identifier value (Q68648103). There are more than 7 millions so called Tns: Namensdatensätze = undifferentiated identifier value (Q68648103), see de:Gemeinsame Normdatei#Umfang. They IDs have been deleted on GND websites and VIAF but some are still exist in Wikidata and mislead the VIAF algorithm.
These problems needs to be fixed. We coordinate the work on pages like de:Benutzer:APPER/VIAF, de:Benutzer:Wurgl/Fehler GND, de:WP:GND/F and Wikidata:WikiProject Authority control/Tn to fix these errors. This sometimes takes more than a year, but the good news: We fix theses errors! (Thanks to the work of Wurgl, Silke, Emu, User:Jahl de Vautban and many more.) After we fixed an error statements like applies to other person (Q35773207) needs to be removed. Why? Because otherwise we have to check the item again and again. (Imho we don't need a property "problem solved".)
Of cause I fully agree that we should not simply/blindly/by bot delete wrong or outdated IDs. In cases like Q107103006#P227 (error in referenced source or sources (Q29998666) + source given) the deprecated statement should not be removed.
I wish you a Happy New Year 2023. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Hallo @Emu: Wir haben das Thema ja schon ausgiebig diskutiert. Du weißt, dass es nicht nur ein paar Tausend, sondern Millionen von Weiterleitungen (die bereits in der gültigen GND dokumentiert sind) und Millionen von Tns (die keiner Person zugeordnet sein sollten) gibt. Die Vorgehensweise, dass Bots zwar falsche oder ungültige IDs hinzufügen, diese aber nicht mehr gelöscht werden dürfen, hat daher zwangsläufig zur Vermüllung von Wikidata beigetragen, und das ist erst der Anfang. Alleine für die GND sind die Fehlermeldungen dieses Jahr von 2.000 auf 10.000 hochgeschnellt, siehe Wikidata:WikiProject Authority control/Tn. 2023 dann 30.000 Fehlermeldungen?
Deswegen die Bitte an dich und die anderen Admins, dass "this old RFC" nicht dazu missbraucht wird, Aufräumarbeiten zu behindern. Die Frage "Keep them stored or simply delete them?" ist eine Suggestivfrage. Sie ist so gestellt, dass man mit "keep" stimmt muss, wenn man verhindern will, dass Einträge blind (ohne Überprüfung und der damit verbundenen Wartungsarbeit) gelöscht werden. Die Überwachungsfunktion: "Markierungen: Wikidata User Interface removing deprecated statement" verschärft das Problem. Dadurch fühlen sich User wie Multichill bestätigt, jeden zu verfolgen, der sich nicht an die angebliche Regel hält. --Kolja21 (talk) 09:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Epìdosis: Can you read the German text? I need your (and other admins) help to to make sure that not every wrong or outdated ID needs to be kept. Of cause there are many cases where deprecated statements are useful, but the check and clean up of authority control IDs should be possible. --Kolja21 (talk) 10:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
More or less I can read German, thanks to having studied it two years (but I'm quickly losing it ...) and most importantly thanks to Google Translate. So I agree, the old Wikidata:Requests for comment/Handling of stored IDs after they've been deleted or redirected in the external database has reached an impasse long ago because 1) there was no agreement on the method of keeping obsolete/redirected IDs (possible limitations, use of ranks etc.) and 2) there was no attempt to counter the crucial objections raised by Ivan A. Krestinin. For there reasons, I think that until we don't agree on a fair policy (which seems a bit far in the future), the removal of such IDs in maintenance work connected to authority files' cleaning is perfectly legitimate (and I myself do such operations sometimes). --Epìdosis 11:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@Kolja21 Sorry for being late to the party, big trip yesterday. To be perfectly honest, even after all those discussions I still don’t have a very clear concept about all the implications of the two proposals. But I trust your and @Epìdosis judgement. At the same time I value the work of Multichill so I hope that this dispute can be resolved on a case-by-case basis for the short term. I’m happy to look into specific cases if someone of you should feel the need. Sorry that I can’t contribute more to this. --Emu (talk) 11:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

There is now a proper "single best value constraint violation report" at Property talk:P227/Constraint violations/Single best value constraint. It does evaluate ranks as well as properly definied "separator" qualifiers, and it should receive an update each day. If there is something wrong with it, please let me know. —MisterSynergy (talk) 11:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy: Danke für die Liste. Ich habe ein paar Stichproben gemacht. Es sind viele Dubletten dabei, die noch nicht gemeldet wurden. Angesichts der großen Zahl (4.322 Fälle), wäre es event. sinnvoll, die Liste nach instance of (P31) zu ordnen. Aber auf jeden Fall ist die Nummerierung hilfreich, da man so auf einen Blick sieht, wie viel Arbeit ansteht. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Ich könnte nochmal eine separate Liste machen, nur für Datenobjekte über Menschen zum Beispiel. Bei allen anderen wirds schnell unübersichtlich, weil häufig mehrere P31-Werte vorhanden sind. —MisterSynergy (talk) 14:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Danke, das wäre interessant, falls sich die Liste auf das Todesjahr bis einschließlich 1850 beschränkt. Dafür steht mir bislang nur die Abfrage über query.wikidata.org zur Verfügung, die mich gerade wieder im Stich lässt ("Zeitüberschreitungsgrenze erreicht"). Bei den Meldungen an die BSB, die diese Fälle bearbeitet, haben wir noch Luft, während bei den Personen, die später gestorben sind, die DNB mit der Abarbeitung bereits am Limit ist. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
PS: Jetzt habe ich die akutelle Zahl der Query-Abfrage: 2.280 Fälle. Falls es bei der Liste deutlich weniger sind, wäre sie ein große Hilfe. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Property talk:P227/Constraint violations/Single best value constraint (humans born until 1850) mit zurzeit 1179 Einträgen —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: Danke für die zweite Liste in nur 24 Stunden, aber leider hat sie einen Fehler. Die Bayerische Staatsbibliothek ist nur für Personen zuständig, die bis einschließlich 1850 gestorben sind. FILTER(YEAR(?dateOfDeath) <= 1850): Property talk:P227/Constraint violations/Single best value constraint (humans died before 1851). --Kolja21 (talk) 20:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Verstehe. Das Update kommt in Kürze … —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Ist es jetzt besser? —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Sieht sehr gut aus! Die 720 potentiellen Dubletten können wir innerhalb des 1. Halbjahres 2023 vollständig melden. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Updated Item: Changing order of values for P921

Hallo Kolja21. Ich frage mich gerade, wie (und warum, also vor welchem Hintergrund) du diesen Edit - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q112822620&oldid=1799051975 - editiertest!? Guten Rutsch, Jeb (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Hallo Jeb, ich sortiere öfters mal um. Auf das Datenobjekt bin ich nur zufällig bei der Abarbeitung der Liste Property talk:P227/incorrect identifier value gestoßen. Ich fand, dass die "II. Kraft- und Arbeitsmaschinen-Ausstellung" das Hauptthema des Artikels aus der Gartenlaube sei, und habe es daher an den ersten Platz gerückt. Ich kann die Änderung aber gerne rückgängig machen, wenn dir München wichtiger ist. Auch dir einen guten Rutsch! --Kolja21 (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Interessant an dem Edit ist vor allem, dass die Diff-Ansicht leer ist. Besser sieht man das hier. Hast Du überhaupt etwas geändert, und wenn ja was und wie? —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Ich habe lediglich "II. Kraft- und Arbeitsmaschinen-Ausstellung" als Thema an die erste Stelle gerückt. Wie gesagt eine spontane, rein kosmetische Korrektur, die streng genommen überflüssig war. Das Helferlein heißt User:Tohaomg/rearrange values.js und ist äußerst praktisch, wenn es z.B. darum geht, eine chronologische Reihenfolge herzustellen. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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