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Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID
entry in the Dictionary of Swedish National Biography

Associated item	National Archives of Sweden (Q1724971)
Applicable "stated in" value	Dictionary of Swedish National Biography (Q379406)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	|1= in sv:Mall:SBL
Domain	human (Q5) or family (Q8436)
Allowed values	\d+ (a number)
Usage notes	The id of the article about a person or a family in SBL
Example	Selma Lagerlöf (Q44519) → 10922 (RDF) Gustav III of Sweden (Q52930) → 13317 (RDF) Gustav I of Sweden (Q52947) → 13315 (RDF)
Source	https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/Start.aspx
Formatter URL	https://sok.riksarkivet.se/sbl/Presentation.aspx?id=$1
Formatter URN	urn:sbl:$1 — List of Uniform Resource Names (URN)
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P3217 (Q57924637)
Related to country	Sweden (Q34) (See 117 others)
See also	Svenskt kvinnobiografiskt lexikon ID (P4963), Swedish National Archive reference code (P5324), Uppsala University Alvin ID (P6821), Adelsvapen ID (P7931), TORA ID (P4820), Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P3217 Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 21,411 Main statement 7,867 out of 7,402 (106% complete) 36.7% of uses Qualifier 40 0.2% of uses Reference 13,504 63.1% of uses
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Explanations [Edit] Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) is a biographical dictionary.

Format “\d+”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Single value, SPARQL

Type “human (Q5), family (Q8436)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), family (Q8436)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Eric and Eric (Q15077597), Ivar Vidfamne (Q1250145), Ingjald (Q130896), Eadgils (Q2608009)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Type Q5, Q8436, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Qualifiers “part of (P361), page(s) (P304), title (P1476), author (P50), retrieved (P813), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), subject named as (P1810), alternative name (P4970)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Entity types

Label required in languages: sv: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: sv (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Label in 'sv' language, search, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3217#Scope, SPARQL

This property is being used by: sv:Mall:Faktamall biografi WD, sv:Mall:Testmall/Larske/Test20, sv:Mall:Testmall/Larske/Test22, sv:Mall:Användare/Ozer pema/sandlåda/Faktamall biografi WDPO, sv:Mall:Faktamall biografi WDPO, sv:Mall:Faktamall släkt WD Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Error reports

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use text box on the page of the profile at SBL

Languages: Swedish (Q9027)

Ideally this information should be moved to the item for the reference and be transcluded from there.

Reports:

Error type	Item(s) affected	Description/Duplicates	Exception	Reported	Resolved (also unpublished)	Resolved and published	Wikidata updated
more problems		see also List "Ett hundratal födelse- och/eller dödsdatum som inte är entydiga i SBL-artiklarna på webben" and Category d:Category:P3217_Error		2018-04-19 UTC
calendar problem at SBL	Emanuel Nobel (Q962364)	SBL 8145 has a julian date for birth		2018-01 UTC
used calendar at SBL is a little bit unclear	Anna Riwkin-Brick (Q563086)	SBL 6778 has 10 (g st) / 23 (n st) for birth which I guess is Julian and Gregorian		2018-03 UTC
wrong birth date Anders Jönsson correct is 25 dec 1883	Anders Jönsson (Q5895722)	SBL 12290 has 1883-12-30 compare Gärdslövs kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/LLA/13131/C I/7 (1871-1894), bildid: 00120485_00051		2018-03-25 UTC	2018-03-27 UTC	2018-03-27 UTC	2018-04-12 UTC
2 birth dates in SBL	Erik Lindegren (Q1276321)	SBL 10505 bildid: A0013185_00022		2018-04-18 UTC			2018-04-18 UTC
2 death dates in SBL	Johan Lindegren (Q4261948)	SBL 10506		2018-04-18 UTC			-

Described in source - is it necessary?

@Esquilo: Hi! I have removed the constraint related to described by source (P1343)Dictionary of Swedish National Biography (Q379406) because it seems redundant to me: in general external identifiers don't require described by source (P1343), since it's evident that, if the ID is present in the item, the item is described in the source which constitutes the ID. described by source (P1343) is obviously useful when there isn't an external ID related to the source. For this reason I would be inclined to remove both the constraint and the existing claims. What's your opinion? --Epìdosis 14:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I see it the other way around; If someone use the property described by source (P1343) one does not expect sources to be missing just because they happen to have an external identifier. /ℇsquilo 16:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Now ongoing general discussion here. --Epìdosis 10:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't see the need either. P1343 should be used if there is no dedicated property (such as P3217). --- Jura 07:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

described by source (P1343) is always good as that give a good overview what sources are used

• for Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) we have
  • articles about a person --> The person in Wikidata is exact match (Q39893449)
  • articles about a family --> The person in Wikidata is narrow match (Q39893967) i.e. Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) should just be set in described by source (P1343)

- Salgo60 (talk) 15:27, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@Salgo60: I agree that in case of narrow match (Q39893967) having described by source (P1343) is surely pertinent; but in case of exact match (Q39893449) with Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) the use of P1343 seems superfluous, isn't it? --Epìdosis 17:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: I see it as a good pattern --> We currently have a "dataset" containing over 3,500 Swedish PM people since 1867, which streamlines the process of identifying sources associated with these individuals. However, it appears that library references like VIAF and ISNI are not added to the "described by source" described by source (P1343). I feel this highlights a shortcoming of open platforms like Wikidata, where each user has unique needs and use-cases. In our specific instance, concerning Swedish PM members, Wikidata is used in a research project that extensively employs this data for machine learning activities and TEI, as can be seen in the GitHub repository "Riksdagens Corpus."

• another argument why care about Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217) is that it is very high quality and the best historical data for Swedish history bios and has a been created during more than 100 years BUT they dont understand linked data so we have to make it valuable for people doing research by using Wikidata
• P1343 SPARQL on those Swedish PM 1865 <-> 1971
• Property dashboard

- Salgo60 (talk) 18:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Notebook for synch Wikidata and SBL

This Notebook has been created for keeping Wikidata P3217 and SBL in synch. Possibilities for improvements plus we hope that the National Archive creates an API - Salgo60 (talk) 10:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)