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Svensk ordbok ID
unique identifier of a page/entry in Svensk ordbok published by the Swedish Academy (SO)

Applicable "stated in" value	Svensk ordbok (Q10684887), Svensk ordbok (Q108312794)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*(_\d)?
Example	no label (L35698) → 102406 no label (L47051) → 181266_2 no label (L32192) → 158533
Formatter URL	https://svenska.se/so/?id=$1
Related to country	Sweden (Q34) (See 117 others)
See also	Svenska Akademiens Ordbok unique ID (P8478)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P9837 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 24,459 Main statement 24,452 out of 63,979 (38% complete) >99.9% of uses Qualifier 3 <0.1% of uses Reference 4 <0.1% of uses
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Allowed entity types are Wikibase lexeme (Q51885771): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9837#Entity types, hourly updated report

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9837#Scope, SPARQL

Format “[1-9]\d*(_\d)?”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9837#Format, SPARQL

Lexeme language: Swedish (Q9027): this property should only be applied to lexemes with these languages (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9837#language

Removed unique constraint

This is because SO has multiple lexemes in one page, see example. I link with the same ID (hardcoding _1) to all pages in LexSO with underscore in the id to avoid semi-automatic matching just the sake of jumping to a paragraph.--So9q (talk) 23:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mahir256 see this discussion for uniqueness of the entries/IDs in this dictionary. Feel free to join. My view is one entry with an id in this dictionary can have different things:

• the main entry which corresponds to a lexeme with different senses
• additional phrases where the main entry appears, unfortunately these are not entries in this dictionary and hence have no IDs we can link or refer to.

Overall I consider the data maturity of this organization as low. That is very unfortunate because they are currently the official reference in Sweden for words and definition of words. So9q (talk) 11:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@So9q: Given that the index of the Svensk ordbok provided by svenska.se (reflected in the catalog for this property on Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন)) provides underscores in identifiers only to differentiate between parts of speech, simply tagging _1 on every identifier is potentially misleading. Also, if you look at the source of an entry in the Svensk ordbok, the individual idioms (<div> elements with 'class="idiom"') contain IDs that may be linked to directly using a fragment identifier (Q1440450) attached to the URL for the main entry; see, for example, the source I added to liten men naggande god (L1320224)'s described by source (P1343) claim. (This is similar to what is done with Diccionario de la lengua española entry ID (P12529) and sub-entries within the entries in that Spanish dictionary.) As such I do not believe it is helpful to assert that all sub-entries in a Svensk ordbok entry share the same identifier. Mahir256 (talk) 16:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. In that case, I suggest we build a custom tool to add those fragment identifiers. Until such a tool exists a main entry ID is better than no ID IMO.

Do you agree that an ID without fragment ID is more valuable than no ID?

Here is some Python code from chatgpt to extract the fragment ids.So9q (talk) 11:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I made a violentmonkey userscript for svenska.se which helps copy the relevant parts. :) So9q (talk) 15:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@So9q: No, I do not think that (for a Svensk ordbok sub-entry) an ID without a fragment is better than no ID at all, especially if you can still cite an entry with P1343 (with P854 in the reference) as I have shown above. Mahir256 (talk) 16:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

In that case, I suggest we add the unique constraint again. WDYT? So9q (talk) 16:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)