Property talk:P2989

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Representscase (Q128234)
Data typeItem
Domain
According to this template: languoid (Q17376908)
According to statements in the property:
languoid (Q17376908)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
ExampleGerman (Q188)nominative case (Q131105)
genitive case (Q146233)
dative case (Q145599)
accusative case (Q146078)
Russian (Q7737)nominative case (Q131105)
genitive case (Q146233)
dative case (Q145599)
accusative case (Q146078)
instrumental case (Q192997)
prepositional case (Q2114906)
locative case (Q202142)
partitive case (Q857325)
vocative case (Q185077)
See alsohas tense (P3103), has grammatical mood (P3161), has grammatical gender (P5109), has grammatical person (P5110), has conjugation class (P5206), requires grammatical feature (P5713)
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Total728
Main statement71498.1% of uses
Qualifier141.9% of uses
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Type “languoid (Q17376908): item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “languoid (Q17376908)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2989#Type Q17376908, SPARQL
Value type “case (Q128234): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value case (Q128234) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2989#Value type Q128234, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2989#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2989#Scope, SPARQL

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Qualifier[edit]

@Tobias1984, ChristianKl, Jura1, Thryduulf: What do you think about series ordinal (P1545) as qualifier for this property to indicate that the common order of the cases differs (accusative case (Q146078) is in German (Q188) the 4th case and in Romanian (Q7913) the 2nd)? -- T.seppelt (talk) 09:49, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As long as there is a sourceable definitive order for the given language then I have no issue with that. Thryduulf (talk) 10:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@T.seppelt: I hadn't even thought about that, but that seems like a good idea. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I had a discussion on the German Wikipedia ([1]) about this. At least for German its apparently pretty hard to define a persistent order. -- T.seppelt (talk) 08:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

describing a complete set without disrupting the overall picture[edit]

How do we best describe the full set for properties like these? In Swedish, this is very simple, there is only 2 cases. But to describe grammatical gender in Swedish is much harder. Based in which schoolbooks you use, there are 2, 3 or 4 genders in Swedish. If I list all genders based on all models, it could be interpreted as if there are 5 genders. But no model describe a set of 5 genders. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 16:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Innocent bystander: That is a general problem with Wikidata. You can't combine multiple statements and attribute them to one source or a certain model. Probably the only way to do it now is to use qualifiers, which need a statement for "this gender is used in the swedish-4-gender system". And create items for swedish-2-gender-system, swedish-3-gender-system,... --Tobias1984 (talk) 12:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]