Wikidata talk:WikiProject Portugal

We start

Hi, in view of the Wikidata Days 2019 in lisbon in June, I have created this project. I will leave a amessage on telegram and ping more users.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:17, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

ok I start to ping pt-N users with some wikidata porficiency, please feel free to discuss in Potuguese. If you are Brazilian, we can discuss about anothe rporject too but for the moment I am focused on creating the architecture for Portugal. --Alexmar983 (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Hipersyl, Joao4669, JotaCartas: you are invited.--Alexmar983 (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@RickMorais, Waldir, GualdimG: you are also welcome to join (please if so, sign in on the main page)--Alexmar983 (talk) 17:16, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposed ID: Portugal film

this website contains information about Potuguese film. I'd like to propose it, do you have any comment?--Alexmar983 (talk) 19:56, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Alexmar983 GoEThe Joao4669 Miguelmcorreia Waldir Ivanhercaz Sanjorgepinho CatarinaMReis DarwIn Cratophonos Mind Booster Noori MariaCurista

Notified participants of WikiProject Portugal sorry to bother you but it was a nice way to test the porject ping. Feel free to discuss in your native language...--Alexmar983 (talk) 19:59, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I am not familiar with the website or film agency. GoEThe (talk) 10:04, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Alexmar983: at least checking its website it seems it only has 63 films, so I really don't if it would very useful as a property in Wikidata, or at least important to work if we take in account we have another interesting stuff to work. It might be used to create manually the items for the films they have. Of course, if another members think it would be interesting to have this identifier we could work in the proposal. Regards, Ivanhercaz (Talk) 20:04, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

@Alexmar983: I'm not familiar with filming properties and I never heard about Portugal Film. I think a more reliable and consensual source would be the Cinemateca Portuguesa for filming (syntax example: ID CP-MC: 7001383). Miguelmcorreia (Talk) 14:45, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Proposed ID Porto Editora

I think their list of authors can be used to reference some items here. They all seem complete and a reasonable number. What do you think?--Alexmar983 (talk) 09:05, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Presenca also has nice webpage per author, but some of them are empty.--Alexmar983 (talk) 09:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I have checked both, specially Porto Editora, and it seems to have a reasonable number of authors as you said. But I have a doubt, are this kind of "identifiers" suitable to be created in Wikidata? I ask it because I don't see any identifier for publishers in Wikidata and maybe it can be understood as commercial. Of course, I am talking from the unknown of the situation about it. I am going to ping the Wikidata:WikiProject Books, maybe someone of them knows something about the possibility to propose an identifier for the website of a specific publisher.

WikiProject Books has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.

Regards, Ivanhercaz (Talk) 20:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

As far as I know, we have already some of them, see for example Property:P5859. The general problem is that instead of rationalize the situation, sometimes, users state some generic principles against them. Do we have a guideline against it? Not really, as far as I could dig. Do we have counterexamples? Yes. So what happens is that they randomly oppose some of them, while other ones remain available. I guess we all like to feel like those who "protect the project", but after that passage the problem is still there. here I am still waiting for a prof of a NNPOV statement. So that's it. I wish it were more rational, but in reality you will just have them in any case here and there.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

ID proposal: Ciência ID

Dear members of the WikiProject Portugal,

Some weeks ago, specifically the 10 June 2019, the Ciência ID was proposed. But it doesn't seems to be created because the proposal not fulfill the requirements nor has all the necessary changes. Thus it is probably it isn't going to be accepted, but it is a very interesting identifier and I want to propose a line of work with respect to this identifier. But before it is necessary to know a bit about this identifier.

Ciência ID is an identifier that it is being used in the Portuguese research environment. It is very similar to ORCID because it allow the researchers in scientific system of Portugal, Portuguese or not, to create a profile in which they can have their scientific curriculum. You can check the example of Gonçalo Espregueira Cruz Themudo (Q21341624). It might be very useful to improve the item of the researchers and even to create items for their publications (conference papers, journal articles, etc.) to improve the open science and work in the line of WikiCite.

In the discussion of the proposal I proposed to check how many potential items there are in Wikidata to add this property. What do you think about it? We could make some query to the Wikidata Query Service to get the items of the Portuguese researchers. Then we could try to reconcile the items with the identifiers available with some tool, like Mix'n'match. There are 10 495 curriculums available so there are enough work to do and very interesting.

I will notify to this wikiproject when the proposal was in review again in the case this one won't be accepted and created. In the next days, or may be today, I want to review the proposed identifiers by Alexmar983.

Regards, Ivanhercaz (Talk) 14:14, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

I think it should be saved. I noticed while I was inserting another scientific ID related to a current workshop, so this other ID has priority but I am happy to insert it in the future. In my experience with wikidata items, I suspect there are not a lot of Potuguese scientists here yet compared to other nationalities, so we should ask for some Mix and Match maybe? Sorry I only have few minutes these days.--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:31, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

What you mean with "it should be saved"? Yes, of course. I am really interested in the identifiers of the Portuguese scope so don't worry if you can't dedicate your time to this. What I really value it is the feedback that everyone might do to know possible ideas to address this identifier.

You said "I suspect there are not a lot of Portuguese scientists here yet compared to other nationalities", but I am not totally agree with that because yes, probably there are more researchers of another countries in Wikidata, but I think there are enough scientists of Portugal to work in this identifier. Check the list and the query that I just created to check the current situation. In addition I have to say that I know there are even more scientists than the ones shown in the results of the query because I know CatarinaMReis and Miguelmcorreia contribute with a lot of items of Portuguese scientists. Although it might be interesting for another thread in this wikiproject it would be interesting to know if they added the property occupation (P106) to the items they created in their project and if they create what was values they added, if the specific scientific field (historian, physician, etc.) or if they added it with researcher (Q1650915).

But nevertheless I think, like I mentioned in the first message and as you said in yours, Alexmar983, that it would be very interesting to have a Mix'n'match catalog for this identifier and the scientists in the project Ciência ID. Don't worry about your available time to work in this, I can dedicate my time in Wikidata to this identifier (and I am going to try to propose the two mentioned above in different threads).

Regards, Ivanhercaz (Talk) 19:36, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

The proposal should be saved. I also said that here on wikidata there are less scientists from Portugal at the moment compared to other countries (in proportion to overall population and population with university degrees, not in absolute number which is obvious), take your query, it's 1554 but Belgium has 4221, Austria 8748, Denmark 3773... it's a neutral statement, it does not mean people are not inserting them, just that there is a lot to do. So I hope the introduction of the ID helps to catalyze their insertion. That's it, I don't think it's worth to debate these aspects too much, for the practical point of view we should just make a plan to massively insert the items when the ID will be created, tht's the goal here. --Alexmar983 (talk) 13:26, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Tomorrow I will try to create a Mix'n'match catalog for this identifier and propose the property again. Regards, Ivanhercaz (Talk) 22:53, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I have asked to Gerwoman about the creation of a scraper/catalog for this identifier because it seems a website a bit hard to make due the format of its url. If you want to follow the thread is Ciência ID Mix'n'match catalog. Regards, Ivanhercaz (Talk) 10:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

I look at it with curiosity.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposta de rapid grant: Wikimedista em Residência na Fundação Oriente e na Biblioteca Nacional de Portugal

Caros editores e editoras da comunidade do WikiProject Portugal,

Tenho o prazer de comunicar-me com esta comunidade para informar-lhes do Wikimedista em Residência (FO-BNP). Este projecto está sendo organizado conjuntamente com a Fundação Oriente e com a Biblioteca Nacional de Portugal e tem por objetivos treinar o pessoal (bibliotecários e documentalistas) destas instituições para colaborarem conosco e ajudar na organização de actividades Wiki e também promover os projectos Wikimedia em Lisboa (mais detalhes na página Metawiki).

Gostaria muito receber comentários, críticas e sugestões da comunidade sobre este projecto. Convido-lhes a comentar aqui mesmo, na discussão do rapid grant ou na seção de endorsements. Neste último podem mostrar seu apoio a este projecto. Onde quer que seja, vou estar disponível para sanar dúvidas e receber sugestões. Para mim é muito importante que a comunidade do WikiProject Portugal tenha conhecimento do projecto e também participe dele.

Se o rapid grant for aceito pela Wikimedia Foundation eu avisarei aqui mesmo antes de começar o projecto.

Cordialmente, Ivanhercaz (Talk) 18:23, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Property: HPIP ID (P5094)

The links in the propety are not working anymore. I left a note in the Property talk, what more can we do? Joao4669 (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Joao4669 I would replace the url but if the nature of the webiste has drastically changed, it is possible Jura is right and a new property is necessary. I pinged the people involved in the creation so they can decide.--Alexmar983 (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Property proposal about monumental trees

Please take a look here, we will ping you when the proposal is official.--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)