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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
 Approved  Hazard SJ  00:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Task/s: Delete all population (P1082) that I have added in Italian municipality.

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Function details: After this discussion and this, is necessary delete population (P1082) in all Italian municipality, because the source is Italian National Institute of Statistics (Q214195) and they have a license "CC-BY" (Legal notes). With this license is impossible to use data outside of Wikidata, because we have "CC0". --ValterVB (talk) 19:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think such data can be copyrightable :/ --Ricordisamoa 19:41, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@ValterVB: If it's a really copyvio, should we revdel related version?--GZWDer (talk) 07:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think that technically isn't copyviol because I gave appropriate credit inside Wikidata. But if someone use this data outside of Wikidata without credit there is the problem. So probably it's sufficient delete the data. --ValterVB (talk) 08:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any indication that this is a real problem. The CC-BY 3.0 license of ISTAT doesn't waive database rights (only CC-0 does; and for our purposes CC-BY 4.0 as well), but the data is being used nonetheless on Wikipedia. Wikimedia projects are already ignoring ISTAT's database rights and m:Wikilegal/Database Rights doesn't say it's a problem to store (uncopyrightable) data which was originally extracted against database rights. --Nemo 08:48, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe ask WMF Legal to weight in, or ask ISTAT with the Email template to be developed if they are OK with our usage and republication. If either takes an unreasonable time to go through, or comes back negatively, then I agree with the proposal. Content that has been imported directly from a database with an incompatible license should be removed. Given that the template gets developed, does anyone have connections to ISTAT to ask? --Denny (talk) 20:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The license of the database is not incompatible, the data itself is PD-ineligible in Italy (a. not innovative, b. official document of the state). The problem, as usual, are database rights, but see above.[1] Someone from WMIT will probably ask them to adopt a clearer license in that regard but I wouldn't worry too much. --Nemo 15:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Nemo, Sorry but I don't understand you when you say there is no problem: CC-0 is not CC-BY. 1) Wikipedia respects the licence about CC-BY and 2) the authors select a licence for their work so the database rights are not more applicable. WD doesn't respect the CC-BY so that's the main problem. Database rights are a problem for databases which are not free: you can always use their data according to the short citation right but the problem becomes difficult when a lot of short citations are made in the same document. Snipre (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is like the PD-art discussion. IANAL, but as far as I know the US doesn't have database rights, see also en:Sui generis database right. So from a Wikidata as a site shouldn't have any problems. If User:ValterVB is in a country that does have these laws (Italy), he might be liable as a person. Sucks man, but we're not going to delete it because of that. Be more careful in the future. This request already open for quite some time. Should probably be closed as denied. Multichill (talk) 17:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed Federico Morando to this discussion. --Nemo 16:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@ValterVB: It's been months. Has there been any update on this, or is this no longer a (potential?) problem?  Hazard SJ  04:22, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't know how to do :( Wikimedia's lawyers have never been clear on the subject and OTRS for database don't work. Probably I must start to delete data. --ValterVB (talk) 09:25, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Hazard-SJ: --ValterVB (talk) 09:26, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Link to English page on Copyright of ISTAT: http://en.istat.it/copyright.html. --ValterVB (talk) 09:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@ValterVB: Any idea how many edits will be made, and are you ready for a trial?  Hazard SJ  15:06, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Hazard-SJ: I have worked on 8050 commune of Italy (Q747074). For each one I have added Census 2001, 2011 and demographic balance (Q15911027) of 30 sep 2013. (example). I have not thought about how to do it, I don't exclude to rollback in manual mode. --ValterVB (talk) 15:26, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Probably the simple solution is delete population (P1082) using Autolist2 with this query: "claim[31:747074] and claim[1082]" --ValterVB (talk) 15:40, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice to have some more input on this, but let's go ahead with a trial.  Hazard SJ  05:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that with that copyright none can add Italian census data in WIkidata. --ValterVB (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Test edit: Bastiglia, Brusaporto, Brignano Gera d'Adda and Brumano --ValterVB (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The edits seem fine. Are there any checks to confirm that what you removed is what you (and nobody else) added?  Hazard SJ  15:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can check the reference. I reference is stated in (P248)=2011 Italian census (Q15715120) or reference URL (P854)=http://www.demo.istat.it/bilmens2013gen/index02.html then I delete. --ValterVB (talk) 18:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please do.  Hazard SJ  00:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This removal has no reason to happen. The ISTAT legal notice points to the CC BY 3.0 IT, which waives any sui generis right on the database like the CC-0 does (but the CC BY 4.0 or CC BY 3.0 unported don't). «Qualora l'Opera concessa in licenza includa una o più banche dati sulle quali il Licenziante è titolare di un diritto sui generis ai sensi delle norme nazionali di attuazione della Direttiva 96/9/CE sulle banche dati, il Licenziante rinuncia a far valere il diritto corrispondente.» Nemo 14:35, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On the same site I read: this so isn't clear. I'm not sure that CC by3.0 it is applicable on Wikidata. --ValterVB (talk) 15:21, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly, the Italian version takes precedence. Nemo 09:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Italian and English versions are clear: the entire site is under CC BY 3.0 . The English version that is linked from home page is this. The page you have found maybe is an old version, no longer valid. --β16 - (talk) 12:07, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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