Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 10
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Withdrawn, sadly this isn't going anywhere. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Pi bot 10[edit]
Pi bot (talk • contribs • new items • new lexemes • SUL • Block log • User rights log • User rights • xtools)
Operator: Mike Peel (talk • contribs • logs)
Task/s: Create new Wikidata items for people with Commons categories
Code: Available on BitBucket
Function details: The code looks through commons:Category:People by name (and also commons:Category:Women by name and commons:Category:Men by name in a later version) to find categories about humans that don't have Wikidata items. It then searches Wikidata for the name to see if an item for that person might already exist, and skips it if there is a candidate item that hasn't been declined through the Commons category matches in the Distributed Game. Otherwise, it creates a new item, and adds the commons sitelink, instance of (P31)=human (Q5), and if available it also sets sex or gender (P21), date of birth (P569) and date of death (P570), all with imported from Wikimedia project (P143)=Wikimedia Commons (Q565) as a reference. That information is then shown in Commons through the Wikidata Infobox, which will hopefully lead to editors adding more information about the person in the future. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Examples at Håkon Aase (Q59342509), Morten Aass (Q59342511), Maria Pavlovna Abamelik-Lazareva (Demidova) (Q59342592), Juan Pablo Abarzúa (Q59342596). This might run weekly. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:28, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am going to approve the bot in a couple of days provided no objections have been raised.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:45, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
{{Approved}}--Ymblanter (talk) 22:02, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Reboot[edit]
I would like to restart this bot task. When I ran it after the bot approval in 2018, it was subsequently blocked by @Jean-Frédéric, Multichill: because it was "Mass creating items that fail Wikidata:Notability". The bot was unblocked per [1]. We subsequently had a discussion about this at Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2019/01#Creating_new_items_for_humans_based_on_Commons_categories, where there seemed to be general support for this task, but concerns about notability. The currently running RfC at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Creating new Wikidata items for all Commons categories also seems to generally support this work.
I still don't have a good solution for avoiding creating new items for people that the Wikidata community think are non-notable even though they have a Commons category. In those cases, the Commons community has either decided that they are notable, or haven't spotted the existence of the category. I think the workflow with handling these cases has changed since 2018: nowadays it's more accepted that the first step to resolve them is to nominate the images and category for deletion on Commons, and if those are deleted, then nominate the item here for deletion. So I think there's now a clear cross-wiki process for handling non-notable cases.
I think it's important to bring this data onto Wikidata: it benefits Wikidata directly for the notable person items that are created and linked to multimedia resources, and it benefits Commons with multilingual content and auto-categorisation. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- No, Wikidata:Requests for comment/Creating new Wikidata items for all Commons categories doesn't support this. In that RFC you asked the community what they think about "All Wikimedia Commons categories should have a Wikidata item" and the clear answer was: The majority of the Wikidata community
Opposes this. - A person having a category on Commons doesn't make them notable. You'll end up creating a ton of not notable items again. Multichill (talk) 23:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- I can only agree with Multichill here. In the opinion you mentioned, there is no consensus for creating data objects for people who have a category in Wikidata. Therefore I reject the commissioning of this bot. Oppose --Gymnicus (talk) 08:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note that both people opposing here, also opposed in the RfC, without really giving good reasons. Read the other comments there, they are generally opposing the creation of items for combination categories, but there was more support for creating items for individual topics, including humans. In particular see the village pump discussion. Also, note that I'm not aware of any of the items created when I was running this bot before, having been deleted or otherwise having turned out to be controversial over the last few years. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
