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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

 Approved Bene* talk 22:02, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Operator: JulesWinnfield-hu (talk • contribs • logs)

Task/s: Add KSH code (P939) and population (P1082) to Hungarian settlements from web source.

Code: JWBF

Function details: Add KSH code (P939) and population (P1082) to Hungarian settlements from web source. Example edits on Cserépváralja (Q872556), Abasár (Q368326), Bogács (Q579531), Abaújszántó (Q305749). Tested 15 test cases on Sandbox and Alternative Sandbox. --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 09:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment. user:ValterVB has done a similar task for Italy, see Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/ValterVBot 10. I think we should try to do things the same way here.
About the date, I can't read Hunagarian, but if I understand correctly, it could be "1 january 2013", which is more precise than just 2013.
ping commenters: @Lavallen: -Zolo (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, observe that even if you, here at Wikidata, add the date as specific as "2013-01-01", you can still choose to only display the year (2013) in the articles in WP.
One question, how will you determine which KSH code (P939) you add to each item? -- Lavallen (talk) 14:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Zolo, Lavallen: Added another example with January 1: Bükkzsérc (Q284175). KSH code (P939) is determined from source by name. In Hungary all settlement names are unique. I also check for municipality of Hungary (Q2590631) and town in Hungary (Q13218690). --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 14:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Could you add info about how the population is counted (census ?) and who is included in the population like it is done for Italy.
Another minor point, the source says : language : Hungarian and English but I cannot find the English version.--Zolo (talk) 14:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find it neither. I added because it says “Nyelv: Magyar, Angol” on the web page. Population is counted with statistical methods and there are included people who live in the settlement based on administrative papers. Please suggest properties and values, but I think we could record population data even without these. --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, we can add data even without the details, but if we have them, that even better ;). See Abbadia Cerreto (Q42303) for an example of population giving additional info through qualifiers, and Singapore (Q334) to see why it may be important to specify who you count. --Zolo (talk) 15:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is more important if a nation have more than one method. U.S. and Germany have estimates for example, and Singapore was another good example. -- Lavallen (talk) 16:02, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Zolo, Lavallen: I've found the English version. [1] If you click on the blue “Letöltés” button, you get a pdf in Hungarian and English. You can read the method and subject on page 8. Please help me what kind of property values would you find acceptable. Is criterion used (P1013) with total population (Q15890448) fine? --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 19:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Probably it's necessary to standardize these type of data, if every country have a different structure for the claim of population, can be a nightmare to use Wikidata in infobox on Wikipedia. Anyway, I agree with this task like example in Bükkzsérc (Q284175) --ValterVB (talk) 20:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of the population I see in the pdf is "The resident population figure is the total number of people in a given area which have usual residence (registered permanent address) there and have no temporary residence (registered temporary address) elsewhere, and number of people having registered temporary residence there." It may be more like permanent population (Q15890435) than total population (Q15890448). But it may not be exactly the same either, I tend to think we should use country-specific items as well, at least for the beginning. That means we should have a new item for "resident population (Hungary)" like we have "total population (Singapore)" (actually definition can vary inside a country as well but still, having country-specific items seems like a good first step).--Zolo (talk) 21:56, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How should I proceed? What would you find appropriate to complete this task? --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 09:08, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Based on these quotes from the pdf you provided:
  1. "The announced population data on the basis of Population Census of the 1st of October 2011 are the population figures calculated by means of the data of natural vital events (live births, deaths) statistics and internal and international migration."
  2. "The resident population figure is the total number of people in a given area which have usual residence (registered permanent address) there and have no temporary residence (registered temporary address) elsewhere, and number of people having registered temporary residence there."
I think this would be ok. --Zolo (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Zolo, Lavallen, ValterVB: Thank you. Please review Szomolya (Q1016764) and Novaj (Q1184276). --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That looks fine to me. --Zolo (talk) 21:41, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I think that it's OK. --ValterVB (talk) 22:38, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Absolut! -- Lavallen (talk) 06:42, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ok, this basically looks very good. You might consider to replace the "HU" at the end of the reference url with "EN" which results in an English version of the webpage so that it can be read by more users. Just a little tip, otherwise this is approved. -- Bene* talk 22:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for your contribution. I will replace the language code. --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 22:52, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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