Wikidata:Property proposal/curid

curid

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Done: MediaWiki page ID (P9675) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Numeric identifier of mediawiki article
Represents	MediaWiki page ID (Q83336089)
Data type	String
Example 1	Bilbo Baggins (Q185737) → Fandom article ID (P6262) → lotr:Bilbo_Baggins [curid] → 64
Example 2	computer (Q68) → English Vikidia ID (P7829) → Computer [curid] → 5744
Example 3	Brother (Q56605466) → WikiTrek article ID (P8344) → Brother [curid] → 16216
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	check all statements that point to external wikis and retrieve their curid
See also	subject named as (P1810)

Motivation

analogue to Twitter (X) numeric user ID (P6552). in Wikidata:Property proposal/All the Tropes identifier User:Pamputt suggested that a curid would be more stable and would enable us to keep mediawiki based properties up to date. --Shisma (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support Useful to link to stable identifier. Pamputt (talk) 20:13, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
• See Wikidata:Property proposal/numeric ID.--GZWDer (talk) 23:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
• Related: https://dbpedia.demo.openlinksw.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdbpedia.org%2Fontology%2FwikiPageID&invfp=IFP_OFF&sas=SAME_AS_OFF&sid=966 . But I agree with GZWDer, a new datatype for this is highly desirable, so lets  Wait. Ideally, I would like to see an MWAPI-level federation, as it was done with SPARQL, but maybe I ask for too much. --Lockal (talk) 10:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
• Abstain until I better understand how tooling might use it. Arlo Barnes (talk) 13:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment Didn't we already have this? If it is created, I think it should be created with datatype string or quantity, but not external-id as it wouldn't be specific to a wiki. It would be similar to page(s) (P304), file page (P7668) and a few other string properties. We could store the formatter url on property pages.
  BTW Pamputt changed the proposed datatype from number to external-id [1]. --- Jura 15:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment Agreed that this should just be a number, not an external id (and it's intended as a qualifier anyway?) - I changed the datatype back. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
  • I think it shouldn't be a number, but a string. Bounds and units don't make sense in curids. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 22:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment See Wikidata:Property proposal/Mediawiki Wiki. –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 19:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment: Still not 100% sure how I feel about this, but if we are going to record both page names and curids, we might want to be consistent about how we do it. Notably:
  • Some properties using page titles: RationalWiki ID (P7775), ProofWiki ID (P6781), EcuRed article (P8092)
  • Some properties using curids: WikiSkripta article ID (P3471), OrthodoxWiki ID (English) (P7819), Vienna History Wiki ID (P7842), Romanistenlexikon ID (P9627), Armeniapedia ID (P9629)

Assuming all the appropriate has characteristic (P1552) tags are filled in, there are 61 with the page-title approach and only 6 with the curid approach.

Also, for what it's worth, I agree with Tinker Bell that this is semantically a string, not a number. Vahurzpu (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

•  Support --- Jura 09:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Support, an important property for connectivity.--Arbnos (talk) 14:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Shisma, Pamputt, Jura1, Arbnos: The property was created successfully. Have fun working with it.