Wikidata:Property proposal/Swiss Federal Archives ID
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Swiss Federal Archives ID[edit]
| Description | Identifier for an entity (portfolio, dossier, document) of the Swiss Federal Archives |
|---|---|
| Represents | Swiss Federal Archives (Q679141) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Template parameter | de:Vorlage:BAR-CH |
| Domain | person, association, institution, legal act |
| Example | |
| Planned use | first use are portfolios of people and associations. |
| Formatter URL | https://www.swiss-archives.ch/archivplansuche.aspx?ID=$1 |
| See also | HelveticArchives ID (P1255) |
- Motivation
There are portfolios of people, associations, parties, international contracts, etc. in the Swiss Federal Archives. Such an identifier will link to the ressource of the original documents. The user:Swiss Federal Archives will also provide and maintain the links in Wikidata on a partnership base. --Micha (talk) 10:52, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
Support Marco Majoleth (talk) 11:26, 27 March 2017 (UTC)- Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment I take it that this is different from HelveticArchives ID (P1255), but is there any link between the two?
--- Jura 10:24, 8 April 2017 (UTC)- There is no link between both. HelveticArchives is the catalog of the en:Swiss National Library and this property is for the en:Swiss Federal Archives. Two different institutions with two different functions (collecting of publications in Switzerland or a swiss topic (-> Library) vs. collecting the documents which came from the government, politicans, organisations (-> Archives)). The only confusing thing is the naming: "Helvetic Archives" vs. "Swiss Archives". I set the status back to ready, I hope that is ok. --Micha (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
- Let's sort out the question about links first. Helvetic cross-references to HLS and GND when available. Does Swiss do the same? Obviously, it would be good if both would make use of Wikidata and link here as well.
--- Jura 10:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC)- It's not planned in near future. GND is needed in libraries to solve ambiguous names in cataloging. They collect different publications and they have to distinguish authors with the same name. That's the reason the Swiss National Library and several other libraries in Switzerland help to maintain the GND database. That is also the reason that they link to it because its just their work. HLS is one major publication (also print and not only online) in Switzerland and about Switzerland and to collect it belongs to the legal mandate of the library. So it is also obvious to link to it. The Swiss Federal Archives like other Archives have original and unique documents of a person (parlamentarian, member of cabinets, etc.) or institutions. So they have no distiguishing problems because it is obvious for researcher which archival remains they have. Actually the link from the archival remains to GND and HLS actually is better done via Wikidata because this is then the data hub. Backlinks to WD are considered because they actually do backlinks to Commons. For example here: [1] (See Digitale Version). --Micha (talk) 07:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. Your comments might raise a few other questions, but I set the proposal as ready.
--- Jura 04:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. Your comments might raise a few other questions, but I set the proposal as ready.
- It's not planned in near future. GND is needed in libraries to solve ambiguous names in cataloging. They collect different publications and they have to distinguish authors with the same name. That's the reason the Swiss National Library and several other libraries in Switzerland help to maintain the GND database. That is also the reason that they link to it because its just their work. HLS is one major publication (also print and not only online) in Switzerland and about Switzerland and to collect it belongs to the legal mandate of the library. So it is also obvious to link to it. The Swiss Federal Archives like other Archives have original and unique documents of a person (parlamentarian, member of cabinets, etc.) or institutions. So they have no distiguishing problems because it is obvious for researcher which archival remains they have. Actually the link from the archival remains to GND and HLS actually is better done via Wikidata because this is then the data hub. Backlinks to WD are considered because they actually do backlinks to Commons. For example here: [1] (See Digitale Version). --Micha (talk) 07:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- Let's sort out the question about links first. Helvetic cross-references to HLS and GND when available. Does Swiss do the same? Obviously, it would be good if both would make use of Wikidata and link here as well.
- There is no link between both. HelveticArchives is the catalog of the en:Swiss National Library and this property is for the en:Swiss Federal Archives. Two different institutions with two different functions (collecting of publications in Switzerland or a swiss topic (-> Library) vs. collecting the documents which came from the government, politicans, organisations (-> Archives)). The only confusing thing is the naming: "Helvetic Archives" vs. "Swiss Archives". I set the status back to ready, I hope that is ok. --Micha (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment It seems that the ID is just an internal database identifier. Each entry has a property "ref. code". Wouldn't it make more sense to store that value instead? Example: Verena Grendelmeier (Q120736) → J1.307 --1-Byte (talk) 21:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
- It's not possible to direct link to the ref. code. Actually that ref. code is also an internal code and not global unique. I would prefer to have a direct link to the catalog and all other metadata like ref. code or date period or document type (single document, document collection, photograph collection) etc. are made with subproperties to this new property Swiss Federal Archives ID. --Micha (talk) 07:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. I agree that it is definitely easier to just use the ID. In case we'd like to use reference codes nevertheless, I built a small resolver which redirects to the detail page for a given reference code: http://tools.wmflabs.org/onetools/swissarchives.php?refcode=J1.61 Do you know in which cases the reference code is not unique? --1-Byte (talk) 11:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- It's not possible to direct link to the ref. code. Actually that ref. code is also an internal code and not global unique. I would prefer to have a direct link to the catalog and all other metadata like ref. code or date period or document type (single document, document collection, photograph collection) etc. are made with subproperties to this new property Swiss Federal Archives ID. --Micha (talk) 07:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support. This looks like a useful external id for Wikidata. I agree with what 1-Byte says above related to the re. code suggestion. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 17:12, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- @YULdigitalpreservation, 1-Byte, Micha, Marco Majoleth, Swiss Federal Archives:
Done ChristianKl (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
