Wikidata:Property proposal/Recognition, recognized by, not recognized by, jurisdiction status
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Properties proposed in RfC "Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories"[edit]
recognition[edit]
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| Description | international recognition of the statement (use as qualifier for P31, P17, and P131) |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Example 1 | Armenia (Q399)instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078) → "international recognition of Armenia" |
| Example 2 | Crimea (Q7835)country (P17)Russia (Q159) → "recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia" |
| Example 3 | Israel (Q801)instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078) → international recognition of Israel (Q6055209) |
recognized by[edit]
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| Description | MISSING |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Example 1 | international recognition of Kosovo (Q23052) → United States of America (Q30) |
| Example 2 | "recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia" → Sudan (Q1049) |
| Example 3 | "international recognition of Armenia" → United States of America (Q30) |
not recognized by[edit]
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| Description | MISSING |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Example 1 | "international recognition of Armenia" → Pakistan (Q843) |
| Example 2 | "recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia" → Italy (Q38) |
| Example 3 | international recognition of Kosovo (Q23052) → Madagascar (Q1019) |
jurisdiction status[edit]
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| Description | jura statuso (eo) / Статус юрисдикции (ru) – (Please translate this into English.) |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Allowed values | de jure (Q132555), de facto (Q712144), de jure/de facto (Q63813883) |
| Example 1 | Taiwan (Q57251)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)People's Republic of China (Q148) → de jure (Q132555) |
| Example 2 | Bir Tawil (Q620634)country (P17)Egypt (Q79) → de facto (Q712144) |
| Example 3 | Taiwan (Q22502)country (P17)Taiwan (Q865) → de jure/de facto (Q63813883) |
Motivation[edit]
These proposed properties are part of a broader proposal at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories. Please comment there. --Yair rand (talk) 07:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Support All David (talk) 07:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Comment What's "de jure, de facto"? Should have both de jure and de facto items? Or a new item called this should be created? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Liuxinyu970226: I had hoped for discussion on this to be kept on the page for the RfC itself, if everyone's okay with that. (@Liuxinyu970226, as explained on the RfC, the proposal is for a new item labelled "de jure, de facto" to be created, which would be for those which are both de jure and de facto authorities over disputed territories.) --Yair rand (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Yair rand: Another interesting thing is that, how the second and third proposals are not covered-able by statement supported by (P3680) and statement disputed by (P1310). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:22, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Liuxinyu970226: I had hoped for discussion on this to be kept on the page for the RfC itself, if everyone's okay with that. (@Liuxinyu970226, as explained on the RfC, the proposal is for a new item labelled "de jure, de facto" to be created, which would be for those which are both de jure and de facto authorities over disputed territories.) --Yair rand (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Interesting proposal. I do see plenty of advantages. --- Jura 19:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support This will give lot of important information! -Theklan (talk) 14:55, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support NMaia (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I think we should sort out the relation to existing properties before creating this. Per RFC (and later linked from one of the properties), this should also replace existing ones. It's not clear why though. --- Jura 18:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Support I would like to add the ISO 2 Code of the country it is recognized by, this would help massively with subsequent data integration instead of just showing the country names (they are always spelled differently across data sources, whereas standardized ISO codes simplifies data integration) --- AddNPBot 11:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Oppose in current form of proposals. Support the "recognized by" property if both the domain and value type constraint are changed to state (Q7275). Qualifier statement is subject of (P805) can then be used with the new "recognized by" property with a value type of international recognition of a country (Q19602404). Dhx1 (talk) 13:17, 8 October 2019 (UTC)- Support Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 23:10, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose in current form, and Support in the form presented by Dhx1 TiagoLubiana (talk) 15:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose--Dispe (talk) 12:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support for “recognized by”, “not recognized by”, “jurisdiction status”. Oppose for “recognition”. Already statement is subject of (P805) can be used. --Wdpp (talk) 18:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Support seems useful for items about countries. --IWI (talk) 00:09, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Support «recognized by» and «not recognized by». Oppose the other two: «jurisdiction status» is nature of statement (P5102), «recognition» is statement is subject of (P805). --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support recognition, recognized by and not recognized by.
Weak oppose jurisdiction status. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 01:35, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
So, this page was specifically not supposed to be the discussion area for the proposals, as mentioned. (See also the lack of a "discussion" section on this page.) The actual proposal is described on the linked RFC page, and is not described on this page. Many of the comments above do not seem to be regarding the actual proposed properties as described in the RFC. The proposal and discussion area are at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories. This page exists to be a pointer to there. --Yair rand (talk) 04:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Yair rand: Hi - it's been over 2 years since this proposal and RFC were started; there have been a few comments on the RFC since you last commented here, can you respond and perhaps we can settle where to go from here now? Another editor had marked these as ready but I am not sure on that (but they could be!) ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- After a member of the WikiProject Human rights had asked me today how to model that citizens of certain countries don't have certain rights, I created the proposal (not) officially recognized by . I embarrassingly missed that this proposal already existed ... however seeing that 1) this proposal has been met with opposition because it suggests "recognition" which can just be modeled with statement is subject of (P805) and "jurisdiction status" ... which can also just be modeled with nature of statement (P5102) & statement disputed by (P1310) and 2) that this proposal has apparently been abandoned it's probably good that I created a new proposal.
- So please check out my proposal (not) officially recognized by ... I also have examples for human rights, animal rights, religions and atrocities and suggestions for some property constraints :)
- --Push-f (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)