Wikidata:Property proposal/National Archives of Australia Entity ID

National Archives of Australia Entity ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: National Archives of Australia entity ID (P10856) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for government agencies created by, and people and organizations associated with, the Commonwealth of Australia, allocated by the National Archives of Australia
Data type	External identifier
Domain	department of the Australian Government (Q57605562), federal government (Q1006644), Governor-General of Australia (Q610669), Prime Minister of Australia (Q319145)
Allowed values	C(A|O|P) \d+
Example 1	Department of Defence (Q2981744) → CA 46
Example 2	Attorney-General's Department (Q3044789) → CA 6
Example 3	Australian Government (Q2991162) → CO 1
Example 4	Robert Garran (Q12058359) → CP 396
Source	https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	adding to existing entries for Australian government agencies, adding missing agencies with identifiers, adding relationships between agencies using identifiers
Number of IDs in source	approx. 8,000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/AutoSearch.asp?Number=$1
Robot and gadget jobs	yes
Applicable "stated in"-value	RecordSearch (Q112566822)

Motivation

RecordSearch, the National Archives of Australia's online collection database, includes rich historical documentation of Australian federal government agencies created from 1901 to the present. This includes not just departments of state, but local and regional offices, and a variety of associated agencies. Each agency is assigned a unique identifier, and relationships with other agencies are documented (preceding/succeeding, controlling/controlled etc). Adding the identifiers and relationships to Wikidata will make it possible to use the SPARQL endpoint to explore historical relationships between agencies in new ways. Identifiers for Commonwealth Organisations and Commonwealth People are also included in this proposal. These are also linked to agencies, and the identifier structure is much the same, so it seemed sensible to include them.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timsherratt (talk • contribs).

Discussion

•  Support --Epìdosis 06:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
•  Support -Ambrosia10 (talk) 06:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Abbe98 (talk) 07:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
• Can we have spaces in values? The URLs in the examples include %20. Otherwise  Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:55, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

  We can have spaces in values, both the Wikidata GUI and WDQS should transform them into %20 where needed. Abbe98 (talk) 08:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

  OK, but looking at this again, I wonder if we should have two or three properties? It seems the "CP" prefix is for people, "CA" for agencies and "CO" for "organisations". I'm not clear how NAA distinguish between the latter two, but clearly they do. Separate properties allow for more tightly-specified constraints. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

  I was originally only going to include agencies, but because agencies, organisations, and people are all interlinked, and the identifier scheme is basically the same, I thought it made sense to group them together. Looking at other identifiers in use it seems some are grouped and some are split, so I wasn't sure what was preferred. I have no strong feelings on it. I'm happy to modify this proposal to only apply to agencies if others agree. Timsherratt (talk) 01:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

•  Support --Canley (talk) 10:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Oronsay (talk) 17:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
• @Timsherratt, Epìdosis, Ambrosia10, Abbe98, Pigsonthewing, Canley: @Oronsay:  Done as National Archives of Australia entity ID (P10856). UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 06:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)