Wikidata:Property proposal/CantoDict identifiers

CantoDict identifiers

CantoDict word ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Done: CantoDict word ID (P9992) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a word in CantoDict
Data type	External identifier
Domain	lexeme
Allowed values	[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1	但系/但係 (L315711) → 645
Example 2	已经/已經 (L315712) → 865
Example 3	我哋 (L400825) → 287
Example 4	你哋 (L400826) → 288
Example 5	佢哋 (L400827) → 289
Number of IDs in source	60702
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/words/$1/
Single-value constraint	yes

CantoDict character ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Done: CantoDict character ID (P9993) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a single character word in CantoDict
Data type	External identifier
Domain	lexeme
Allowed values	[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1	只/隻 (L31492) → 406
Example 2	水 (L230480) → 28
Example 3	佢 (L400376) → 589
Example 4	唔 (L400814) → 468
Example 5	我 (L400823) → 1
Number of IDs in source	5368
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/characters/$1/
Single-value constraint	yes

Motivation

CantoDict is one of the few freely accessible English-Cantonese dictionaries and the only one I'm aware of which has example sentences. - Nikki (talk) 14:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

• CantoDict entries are about words (not lexemes), but Wikidata splits terms with different etymology as different lexemes. So  Weak oppose for CantoDict word ID;  Support for CantoDict character ID but they should not be used on lexemes but instead on items such as 水 (Q54366215).--GZWDer (talk) 15:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Ok, I've changed it to not have a distinct values constraint. We can instead add a complex constraint expecting lexemes with the same ID to have matching lemmas. I don't think we can expect every external resource for lexemes to assign different IDs for different origins of the same spelling, especially languages with limited resources. We could force people to use described at URL (P973) instead but what would be the benefit of that? - Nikki (talk) 17:17, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

 Support For both. Oxford English Dictionary entry ID (pre-July 2023) (P5275) has the same issue but is treated as an external ID. You can list exceptions to constraints if necessary; would there really be so many duplicate cases for Chinese characters? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

•  Done @Nikki, GZWDer, ArthurPSmith: created as CantoDict word ID (P9992) and CantoDict character ID (P9993). Enjoy! --99of9 (talk) 10:34, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

PS sorry I haven't worked out how to put examples in properties for lexemes. --99of9 (talk) 10:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)