User talk:Kelly

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Best regards! Lucywood (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

South Kesteven parishes

Hi! I see that in 2015 you put quite a lot of effort into creating separate items for parishes in South Kesteven, different from the items for villages of the same name.

Mostly on WD, and on Commons, (and on en-wiki) there has tended to be a single item for villages and civil parishes that they dominate; unless there is some reason not to -- eg the village is outside the civil parish; or there are multiple settlements inside the CP that have their own Commons categories; or the names are very different. Currently of about 10,600 items for civil parishes, about 9,000 are also items for some kind of settlement; of the remaining 1600, only about a couple of hundred have the same name as a settlement.

Cons against splitting the items include that over-definition of items can reduce co-referencing and interwiki links and other interesting connections, by separating them into two groups (in particular: which item gets the Commons category link? Does that break its link to/from the most popular wikipedias?); also that it increases the chances of people picking the 'wrong' item for the object of their statements.

Pros for splitting include that these are different differentiatable things, potentially with different statistics and some different kinds of properties.

I just wondered whether you had any more thoughts on this?

(Also pinging @Lucywood, Nilfanion, Crouch, Swale: who have all been active with these sorts of questions, either here or on Commons.) Jheald (talk) 11:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC) Also pinging @Robevans123: who's created a number of stand-alone items similarly for communities (community (Q2630741)) in Anglesey. Jheald (talk) 13:00, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

IMO, the chief benefit to this sort of split could be seen on Commons: If the village covers a small portion of the parish's area, a sub-cat for the village itself groups all its media together - and apart from the rural area.

The problems get bigger when you switch to facts and figures as, for example, government statistics will be for the parish and not the village. That's a strong factor against splitting WP articles in the same manner. Statistics for the village (and not the parish) are very hard to obtain. More general facts about the parish (and not the village) are hard to obtain unless the village is a tiny part of the parish, and there's lot of significant features elsewhere.

That leads me to conclusion that WP would prefer a single entry, while Commons would prefer two.--Nilfanion (talk) 12:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Q60220

When linking an edition of a book to the page, such as at Aeneid (Q60220), link the edition under has edition or translation (P747) by creating a data item for that edition.

Then on the data item, you can identify the publication details of that edition. Like this: The Aeneid of Virgil (Q87586490) --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)