Talk:Q315

Classification of the class language (Q315)   

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• language (Q315)
  • languoid (Q17376908)
    • abstract entity (Q7048977)
      • entity (Q35120) ⊸

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⟨language⟩ on wikidata tree visualisation (external tool)(depth=1)

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Conflict

Interwiki conflict
Topic: language/langue	Items involved: Q4113741Talk, Q315Talk, Q34770Talk	Status:    not resolved
Wikidata:Interwiki conflicts#Language.

As I understand this item became root item for usual human languages. But still there are ~2000 items which are Q34770 but not Q315:

SELECT ?item ?label ?num WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q34770.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  MINUS {?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q315.}
OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P1098 ?num. }
}

Try it!

What should we do with them? --Infovarius (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Infovarius: Hi Infovarius, you said : "As I understand this item became root item for usual human languages". I think and I hope it is not the case, because language (Q34770) is very different from language (Q315). English uses the same word (contrary to other laguages), but it is not the same thing. language (Q315) is about capacity to communicate using signs, while language (Q34770) is the set of signs used to communicate (like English, French, etc). Human languages should then be language (Q34770), and not language (Q315). However, there are more than 100 items that are language (Q315), and it seems that a lot of them should be language (Q34770) instead (I didn't check them all). CaLéValab (talk) 16:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

language (Q315) is different from language (Q34770)

Attempt differenciating definitions : Please keep in mind that language (Q315) is different from language (Q34770). English uses the same word (contrary to other laguages), but it is not the same thing. language (Q315) is about capacity to communicate using signs, while language (Q34770) is the set of signs used to communicate (like English, French, etc).

CaLéValab (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

These 4 should be differenciated better, maybe by different titles ? cc:CaLéValab.

See them on wikidata query / result.

• language (Q315)
• capacity for language (Q4536530)
• language (Q34770)
• language (Q4113741)

To do :

1. Description fields to clarify and differentiate from their close budies
2. Label fiend to clarify ? (→ human language ? language system ? language capacity ?)
3. Request a bot to clean the place: reassign the right values to associated languages as much as programmatically possible. Yug (talk) 08:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

CaLéValab, this issue is complex, I encourage you to reduce contents, create a single section (the green box) on this page which you could lead but we could co-edits. We don't want to repeat definitions accross the page. Also, feel free to edit or remove my messages to reduce redundancy and confusion. Would you be ok with this ? Yug (talk) 08:41, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure ! CaLéValab (talk) 12:35, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

language is not a subclass of communication medium (Q340169)

"communication medium" (Q340169) refers to "storage and delivering agent of information or data", which is a "manifestation" (Q286583), which is an "artificial physical object" (Q8205328). A language is not a physical object, hence it cannot be subclassed here. Jasy jatere (talk) 12:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Somewhere in this chain there is error. Because "language is a subclass of communication medium" seems to be good statement. May be manifestation needn't to be "artificial physical object"? --Infovarius (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

langage/langage humain

the english article language, which talks about human language is linked to the french article langage which alks about language in general--88.120.136.38 12:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Equivalent DBpedia class conflict.

Both https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q315 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q34770 link to http://dbpedia.org/ontology/Language as the equivalent class. Horstder2te (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)