Talk:Q218295

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Autodescription — President of Russia (Q218295)

description: head of state of the RSFSR (office established in 1991) and Russia
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Time period 1991-04-24—:this item should be used only for items from the specified period
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President of Russia (Q218295) officeholders

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4. Vladimir Putin (Q7747) 2012-05-07 –
3. Dmitry Medvedev (Q23530) 2008-05-07 – 2012-05-07
2. Vladimir Putin (Q7747) 2000-05-07 – 2008-05-07
1. Boris Yeltsin (Q34453) 1991-07-10 – 1999-12-31
Position created: 1991-06-12
Replaces:  Indirect only [1]
  1. ↑ Head of state of the Soviet Union (Q12176753) has a replaced by (P1366) connection to President of Russia (Q218295), but President of Russia (Q218295) has no equivalent replaces (P1365) claim.


Desription

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Desription: "head of state". "head of state" = 1) position (Q4164871) or human (Q5)? --Fractaler (talk) 07:56, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A subclass of B and instance of B

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@Infovarius: why do you think this position/office (должность) should be a subclass of a role? You added it in 2013 [1] as subclass of president, I moved it to instance of president in 2024 [2], you reverted it [3].

If this specific position should be a subclass of role, then each specific position should be a subclass of role. But then it should not be an instance of a role too, because an entity A cannot be an instance of B and a subclass of B at the same time. CV213 (talk) 18:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CV213: Let me explain how I think, may be in not in formal terms. I regard the position as a (description of) class of people (which occupy it). "President" is a class of people, Q218295 is also a class and obviously all instances of the second class belongs to the first, so there should be "subclass" relation. Contrarily "role" is a metaclass (we can't say that people "are roles", they "are presidents"), so the relation to it should be "instance of". But you've moved it to superclass making all people roles too. It's not logical. --Infovarius (talk) 12:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Infovarius: A position or role is not a class of people. An individual human is not an instanceOf a role or a president, but an individual assumes a position/role/office.
Among the 1 500 000+ items that have an ISNI only ~28 have P279 subclassOf. According to ISNI (https://isni.org/page/linked-data/) the items are either "Person" or "Organization", in VIAF the terms seem to be "Personal" and "Corporate". Person includes humans, gods, mythical and fictional characters. Organization includes companies, less formal organizations, musical groups, and "1-person-organizations" like public offices / positions.
President of the Russian Federation 'could' be modelled as a class, but then it should be done so for all organizations too, which currently is not the way it is done in WD. Specific organizations, positions etc. are modelled as instances. McDonald’s (Q38076) is an instance of an organization, it isn't a subclassOf anything (in WD). So, I think subclassOf is best not used on specific organizations, groups or positions (1-person-organization).
CV213 (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oravrattas: an issue related to Talk:Q477155#Organization as a class exists here. The RU-president could be an organization. It has an ISNI, so according to ISNI it is an instance of either Person or Organization, since ISNI only has these two classes. VIAF has it "Corporate" , GND too ("kio"). So, not a class in their view. CV213 (talk) 22:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

President of specific entity not a class

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Making it a class is not correct please revert https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2063457158

As a side note: There are no instances of this "class".

Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:25, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say Putin is an instance (don't you say "Putis is the President of Russia"?). --Infovarius (talk) 22:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Words can have multiple meanings, so has "is". In Linked Data one can be more precise, instance of for humans is restricted to what they are during all their existence. Putin is a human from his birth or at most nine and a half months before until his death. And then all characteristics of a human apply, has two arms, eyes, legs, one nose. Putin is a president of Russia only for a certain time, it is not tied to him. Even if a king Andrew would happen to be king all his life he would not be instance of king, it is just a social role, nothing a biologist would detect when examining at birth. Each human is child of their mother, but even that is not modeled via instance of. Instance of person born in the sixties - not done that way. Use instead: has role, has mother, time of birth. Sergej Andropov (talk) 10:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Fast catalogue it says type = organization. Type means the same as instance of, so not a class. Sergej Andropov (talk) 10:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FAST ID

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Please add https://id.worldcat.org/fast/714817/ Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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