Talk:Q12773225
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Autodescription — enslaved person (Q12773225)
description: person in a state of slavery
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- Parent classes (classes of items which contain this one item)
- enslaved person (Q12773225)
- personal property (Q499094)
- prisoner (Q1862087)
- inhabitant (Q22947)
- legal status (Q2628882)
- →(+) product (Q2424752)
- enslaved person (Q12773225)
- Subclasses (classes which contain special kinds of items of this class)
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enslaved person⟩ on wikidata tree visualisation (external tool)(depth=1) - Generic queries for classes
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constraints[edit]
@SashiRolls: why it should be necessary a human? There are some characters which are also slaves. --Infovarius (talk) 23:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sure. Are characters persons? I suppose that corporate persons can also be enslaved to their bigger clients, who are themselves characters in a page-turning rebranded legal fiction. :)
- What do you think about slavery (Q8463) being an instance of torture while serfdom (Q103350) is an instance of social relation? SashiRolls (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- To my mind person can be real or fictional, no relation to legal fiction. Can you propose another common ancestor to human and fictional human?
- Classification now is a random relations, honestly :) It should be improved somehow. --Infovarius (talk) 21:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- My understanding of the current consensus is that the relation between the fictional concept tree and the factual concept tree is that of object and shadow; each fictional concept points to the real equivalent with 'fictional analogue of', but otherwise there is minimal interaction. So probably the best way to phrase a constraint is simply to include both 'human' and 'fictional character' (and also 'human who may be fictional' in this case). Arlo Barnes (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
instance of social class AND subclass of human[edit]
I enhanced several items, e.g., John Newton (Q357301) by adding enslaved person (Q12773225) as a subclass of human (Q5) and my edits were reverted, with the statement that:
- "enslaved person (Q12773225) is not a subclass of human (Q5). Enslaved persons are fully human, no subclasses."
- It may be redundant since to identify an enslaved person (Q12773225) as a human since it is also an instance of social classification (P3716) but clearly, stated on the item, an enslaved person (Q12773225), is Subclass of human.
- I hope @User:MassiveEartha and others will join this conversation
- * User_talk:Sadads#Your_to_do_list_-_occupations_and_enslavement
- * Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/04#Category:Devşirme
BethGuay (talk) 17 May 17:48 (UTC)
- You were rightly reverted. Slaves are not a subset of humans, by any stretch of imagination. They are regular humans / persons enduring the temporary condition of slavery.-- Darwin Ahoy! 01:50, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Slaves are people under a condition (slavery), not a subclass of humans![edit]
Please don't add "human" and "person" as subclasses to slaves. Slaves are not any particular subset of humans who were born with that fate (!!), or have a specific personality - they are just regular humans under a temporary condition (slavery). It's the same situation as Prisoner. Darwin Ahoy! 01:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)