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kunya
teknonym in Arabic names, the name of an adult derived from their eldest child or from their characteristics

Represents	kunya (Q1285470)
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5)
Example	Abu Bakr (Q334923) → Abu Bakr (Q334826) Umar ibn Al-Khattāb (Q8467) → Abu Hafs (Q103924317) Usman ibn Affan (Q37731) → Abu Abdallah (Q103924462) Ramla bint Abi Sufyan (Q2138599) → Umm Habiba (Q106640725)
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P8927 (Q104144998)
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Current uses	Total 148 Main statement 144 97.3% of uses Qualifier 4 2.7% of uses
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Type “human (Q5)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8927#Type Q5, SPARQL

Value type “kunya (Q1285470)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value kunya (Q1285470) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8927#Value type Q1285470, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8927#Scope, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8927#Entity types

Are kunya of the given name (Q202444) class?

• @Abu aamir, Meno25, Michel Bakni: There seems to be an open question whether or not all Kunya names are given name (Q202444) and thus it makes sense to set the constraint to allow given name (Q202444) or whether there are Kunya that are not valid given names and thus the constraint should focus on kunya (Q1285470). ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 10:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Hello @ChristianKl:, Thanks for your care, I understand the relation, but to make it clear, there are some given names that are in the form of Kunyas, so they look like Kunyas but are not Kunyas, the difference between given names in the form of Kunyas and Kunyas is that Kunyas are adopted at later stages, whether by the name holder themselves or by other people as an extra identification of the person, while the given name in the form of Kunya is given at birth and its holder may yet adopt a true Kunya, for example, someone's given name is "Abu Ahmad" and then he adopts a kunya of "Abu Omar", his given name (Abu Ahmad) looks like Kunya but is categorized as a given name, while "Abu Omar" is his Kunya, moreover in some occurrences, individuals adopted more than one Kunyas, or there was a dispute in their Kunyas by biographers. Kunyas are not for males only, but also for females.
• example for a proper name in the form of Kunya is Abu Alala Al Maududi, as as a given name for Human, and for statue is Abu Alhaul, his Arabic Name is in the form of Kunya, but it is a proper noun,
• the Poet Abu Nuwas, whose given name is Al Hasan, he had first "Abu Ali" as his Kunya, then, it was overcome by his new Kunya "Abu Nuwas", anyway, these cases are not the common pattern, but it is good to take them into consideration, as well as the fact of Kunya being used for male and females, and less common for animals.--Abu aamir (talk) 11:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)