Property talk:P8822

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epithet
has an epithet (byname), for a human, a character or a deity

Represents	epithet (Q207869)
Data type	Item
Example	Apollo (Q37340) → Phoebus (Q3382132) Agreus (Q16329504) Dionysus (Q41680) → Bromius (Q2566812)
See also	nickname (P1449)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P8822 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 244 Main statement 54 22.1% of uses Qualifier 190 77.9% of uses
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Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8822#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8822#Scope, SPARQL

Value type “epithet (Q207869)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value epithet (Q207869) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8822#Value type Q207869, SPARQL

scope of property

@Epìdosis, Marcus Cyron, DerHexer, Jura1, Jahl de Vautban, ChristianKl: Sorry, I didn’t see the discussion. What is the exact scope of this property?

• Does it only apply to Gods?
• Does it also cover a byname (Q279239)? Pepin the Short (Q81212)epithet (P8822)the Short or Catherine II of Russia (Q36450)epithet (P8822)the Great? I guess it can’t really be because of the Item data type instead of Monolingual text. Should we discuss another property for this purpose?

--Emu (talk) 18:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Emu: It applies not only to gods, although the epithets for gods are nearly the only ones actually having apposite items (see list); patronymics, when having items, are also appliable (e.g. Odysseus (Q47231)epithet (P8822)Laertiades). Considering that the value must be an item, I would consider only values being "proper names" and not common names as "the Short" or "the Great" ... although bynames as "Magnus" (used for Catherine II of Russia (Q36450), Alexander the Great (Q8409), Frederick II of Prussia (Q33550), Charlemagne (Q3044) etc.) might be worth an item. Anyway, a property with "monolingual text" can well be useful in my opinion. --Epìdosis 18:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

For what I understand of byname (Q279239), epithet (Q207869) may be a subclass of it, just like agnomen (Q2596516) (but the exact distinctions between languages seems a bit confuse). I don't how far we'll be able to use this property outside of items related to antiquity, however ; I'm not even sure we can use it for deities outside of the graeco-roman system. Beside mythology, the next big group I can think of are the few dozens or so of Hellenistic kings, for example Ptolemy I Soter (Q168261)epithet (P8822)Soter (Q2303797). --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 19:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)