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Operator: Kvardek du (talk • contribs • logs)

Task/s:

• Add french 'intercommunalités' on french communes items (example)
• Add french communes population
• Correct Insee codes of french communes

Code:

Function details: Takes the name of the 'communauté de communes' in the Insee base and adds it if necessary to the item, with point in time and source. Uses pywikipedia. --Kvardek du (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Imo the point in time qualifier isn't valid here as the propriety isn't time specific. -- Bene* ^t_a^l_k 15:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Property:P585 says "time and date something took place, existed or a statement was true", and we only know the data was true at January 1st, due to numerous changes in French organization. Kvardek du (talk) 12:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, some comments:

• Not sure that "intercommunalités" are really aministrative divisions (they are built from the bottom rather than from the top). part of (P361) might be more appropriate than located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)
• Populations are clearly needed but I think we should try do it well from the start and that is not easy. That seems to require a separate discussion.
• INSEE code correction seems to be fine.
• Ideally, the date qualifiers to be used for intercommunalité membership would be start time (P580) and end time (P582) but I can't find any usable file providing this for the whole country. --Zolo (talk) 06:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

• Indeed, legally, « intercommunalités » are not aministrative divisions.
• Ok for a discussion. I have already a case to submit (fr:Discussion Projet:Communes de France/Archive69#Erreur de population Ldh/EHESS/Cassini ?, where I spotted mistakes in the « official » source ; it seems to be the ideal case to use Help:Ranking).
• FYI, INSEE code is − at least − missing for 189 communes (I found them through WikiDataQuery, I'm not used to this tool yet, I may have miss somes communes and/or there maybe false-positive).

Kvardek du : can you add « canton » and « pays » too ? (canton is a bit complicated since some cantons contains only fraction of communes)

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not very precise about administrative divisions (w:fr:Administration territoriale). Where are the limits between part of (P361), located in/on physical feature (P706) and located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) ?

Where is the appropriate place for a discussion about population ?

VIGNERON : I corrected Insee codes, except for the islands : the same problem exists on around 50 articles due to confusion between articles and communes on some Wikipedias (I think).

Kvardek du (talk) 22:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

@Bene*, Vogone, Legoktm, Ymblanter, The Anonymouse: Any 'crat to comment?--GZWDer (talk) 14:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm still not familiar with the "point in time" qualifier. What about "start date" because you mentioned the system has changed to the beginning of this year? Otherwise it might be understood as "this is only true/happened on" some date. -- Bene* ^t_a^l_k 21:04, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Property retrieved (P813) is for the date the information was accessed and is used as part of a source reference. point in time (P585) is for something that happened at one instance. It is not appropriate for these entities which endure over a period of time. Use start time (P580) and end time (P582) if you know the start and end dates. Filceolaire (talk) 21:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

 Support if the bot user uses start time (P580) and end time (P582) instead of point in time (P585) --Pasleim (talk) 16:48, 28 September 2014 (UTC)