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Adding PCGamingWiki IDs for Developers/Publishers and Engines[edit]

For example, Valve on PCGW and Valve Corporation (Q193559). Also the Source Engine on PCGW and Source (Q643572).

Should these be new properties or should the existing property PCGamingWiki ID (P6337) be updated to include Companies and Engines?

There aren't as many engines and companies are there are games in the database, only 281 Engines (https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Category:Engines) and 2255 Companies (https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Category:Companies). Engines, at least, can easily be handled manually via Mix'n'match, companies can probably be handled to some extent in the same way. Companies (and some engines) also often have Wikipedia articles in PCGW, so they can be automatically matched that way.

Any advice on how to go about this would be appreciated :)

As a side note, PCGamingWiki typically has much better info on the release dates and their specific platforms (at least when it comes to PC releases), would it be reasonable to put that data into Wikidata, or how should I go about proposing such a thing?

Nicereddy (talk)

Oh, and one other thing I forgot to mention is game series', which may also be worth supporting (e.g. https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Series:Half-Life and Half-Life (Q752241)). Nicereddy (talk)
I put together a little script that gets all the Engines on PCGW and their respective Wikipedia articles (if they have one): https://gist.github.com/connorshea/7cfbd099dceabc2b5456cd1541c83b1d
This is imperfect due to the fact that many of these Wikipedia article links are to sections within a Wikipedia article rather than an article specific to a game engine. Maybe I should strip out any Wikipedia URLs that have pound signs in them. Nicereddy (talk)
I've moved this discussion to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P6337#Expanding_coverage :) Nicereddy (talk)

Release dates for early access games[edit]

Apologies if this is documented somewhere already, but do we have a way of listing a publication date as being for the "Early Access" or Beta period of a game, to distinguish between Early Access and a full release? Nicereddy (talk) 17:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

P805 > Q17042291 or P805 > Q1550400 @Nicereddy: --Trade (talk) 08:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Formatting for convenience: - statement is subject of (P805) early access (Q17042291) or - statement is subject of (P805) software beta testing (Q1550400) Jean-Fred (talk) 09:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Oculus Quest as a video game platform[edit]

Oculus Quest (Q63777286) is a headset from Facebook's Oculus that runs a custom Android OS. Games need to be ported to the system to work on it, and it's stand-alone, meaning it doesn't require a PC or any console to be used. It should probably be listed as a platform separate from others, but I'm not sure exactly how we should do that.

The main problem is that, technically, Quest isn't just one headset anymore but a series of them (because of Oculus Quest 2 (Q99620218)). So either we use Oculus Quest (Q63777286) as the platform - which isn't entirely accurate - or create a new item that represents the _series_ of headsets. Of course, the problem is that I have no idea what'll happen in the future and if certain games only support, e.g. Oculus Quest 3 at some point in the future, that becomes a problem.

We _could_ just list games as supporting Android, but that's really dirty and not particularly accurate. It'd be like saying games that support Android support Linux.

Thoughts? I'm thinking we should just go with creating a new item for the series of headsets and start using that for VR games that support the Quest. If we need to fix it in the future due to incompatibilities between Quest headsets, so be it. Nicereddy (talk) 01:21, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be cleaner to have a item for the Oculus Android-based OS ? After all, the game run on the OS, who then run on various OS. --Misc (talk) 22:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

EntitySchema for video games[edit]

After wanting to figure it out for a long time, I've finally created an EntitySchema for video games!

I think the most useful application of this is for Cradle, but there are other things this can be useful for (see the tooling section on WikiProject Schemas) such as validation and in the future probably a lot more useful tooling around validation and such.

Should we link this schema from the WikiProject Video Games main page? And anyone is welcome to contribute, though please try to keep the syntax and formatting in the same style as the rest of the schema. Nicereddy (talk) 01:21, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

New database to link for videogame[edit]

Just seen that on HN: https://www.gameuidatabase.com/index.php 325 games, and a ID in the url. --Misc (talk) 12:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I put it on Mix’n’match yesterday :) Mix'n'match. Jean-Fred (talk) 13:16, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
I saw it too and created Game UI Database (Q103898771). A similar database was mentioned in the comments: Interface In Game (Q103899194). —Dexxor (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok so, I also found https://vgdb.io and https://vgdb.uk/ (as I was searching for VNDB, but, I typed VG instead of VN). 1st with 7374 items, 2nd with 31,723. --Misc (talk) 22:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Went ahead and filed Wikidata:Property proposal/Game UI Database ID. Jean-Fred (talk) 14:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

New Mix'n'match catalogues[edit]

A few weeks ago I updated the PCGamingWiki catalogue so it now has better descriptions and will be easier to get matches on: https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/4028

And last night I threw together a catalogue for IGDB IDs, the preliminary automatches seem to have a pretty good signal-to-noise ratio so far: https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/4065

Hopefully these are helpful, I'd appreciate anyone using them for even just 5 minutes to match a few games! <3

Have a good holiday season everyone! Nicereddy (talk) 16:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the early Holiday gift!--Trade (talk) 01:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
@Trade: thank *you* for doing all those matches! 🙇‍♂️ Have a Merry Christmas if you celebrate :) -Nicereddy (talk) 01:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Karaoke Revolution J-Pop games[edit]

There are a number of games in the Karaoke Revolution J-Pop series, for example see volume 1 on MobyGames. But they aren't listed on IGDB or GiantBomb, and MobyGames seems to have some entries that the Wikipedia article for Karaoke Revolution songs is missing (plus MobyGames is missing volumes, assuming they went in numerical order?).

AFAICT the J-Pop games were only released in Japan, never internationally. I don't feel like sorting this out, but if someone else would like to look into it, I'd appreciate it :) Nicereddy (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

How to mark multiplayer video games that have had their servers shut down[edit]

A few examples:

- Ridge Racer Driftopia (Q86106193) (this is what brought me down the rabbit hole initially) - Gigantic (Q20538690) - Paragon (Q23804986) - Evolve (Q16267814) - Radical Heights (Q65158129) - Toontown Online (Q2441260) - Club Penguin (Q390223) (this uses dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576) to show that it's been shut down, I don't love that solution but it's the only one I've seen so far)

And probably a good number of other games (Ross Scott on YouTube has a few videos about games like this, probably a good source for finding others).

There's also discontinued date (P2669) but I haven't seen any games using that.

What's the correct way to show that a game's servers have been shut down, usually meaning that the game is fully dead (and no official server software exists that could be used to host the game on your own)? Should we have a specific property for this?

Thanks, Nicereddy (talk) 17:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

discontinued date (P2669) could be misinterpreted as the date at which the game stopped receiving updates because the property is also used for the end-of-life date of software. Ace of Spades (Q1053797) uses dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576) for the end-of-sale date at which point the servers were still online (See Ace of Spades § Closure). So a new property to make the "server shutdown date" explicit seems like a good idea. —Dexxor (talk) 12:41, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
How about as a qualifier to game mode (P404)? I feel this would cater for the plenty of games which have a multiplayer component shut off, but their solo campaign works fine? For example, Ridge Racer Driftopia (Q86106193) game mode (P404) multiplayer online game (Q3297989) / end time (P582) January 2000 Jean-Fred (talk)
Or with discontinued date (P2669) as the qualifier instead of end time (P582). Jean-Fred (talk) 08:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
How does the idea of an 'Multiplayer status' property sound? Something akin to this --Trade (talk) 09:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
I do like the idea of tracking games which support LAN vs online vs split screen, although idk how widely that information would really be used. Nicereddy (talk) 06:45, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Some game have non official servers (I heard), I guess we would need to take in account "official one" only. And What if the server is dropped in one market but not another ?--Misc (talk) 13:51, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

platform (P400) move to operating system (P306)[edit]

FYI, see User_talk:Reseletti#Removing_platform. Jean-Fred (talk) 09:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

educational game (Q1140363) vs educational video game (Q1224999)[edit]

Both are used as genre (P136) for video games. What's the difference? --Trade (talk) 11:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Only the latter is a video game genre ; the former is about all types of games (“including board, card, and video games” according to the en.wp article) − the latter is defined as subclass of the former, rightfully so.
I’d say, all uses of the former should be replaced with the latter.
Jean-Fred (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Could you do the QS batch? You know it far better than i do. --Trade (talk) 15:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Handling multiple Minecraft editions[edit]

There currently exist two items based on the original Minecraft game (not spinoffs, the universe, or media franchise):

There exist other versions though, including the original now called Java Edition, Education Edition (based on Bedrock), and the now-discontinued Legacy Console Edition, Pi Edition, and New Nintendo 3DS Edition.

What I'm wondering is if these are notable enough to get their own items. They have certain differences between each other (different versioning schemes, platform availability, interface design, etc.), but are all in general very similar (they all have the same general gameplay). And if so, what would be done about the original item, which is linked to the Wikipedia article that describes the overall gameplay of Minecraft across all versions. Maybe it could be turned into Wikipedia article covering multiple topics (Q21484471)? Or should it all be kept under one item?

I'm most likely over-thinking this and the answer is obvious but I just need to be sure. Thanks. --ihaveahax (talk) 10:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I think the different versions should be split as each is effectively a different game at this point. I have no idea what we would do with Minecraft (Q49740), it's currently a mess with statements that are only applicable to certain editions, such as the platforms and version numbers being completely different just to start with. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 05:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Just noticed that we have Minecraft: Education Edition (Q60969929) and Minecraft: Pi Edition (Q21004151) already. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 06:03, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Oh I completely missed those items somehow. Thanks for the response. I'm not sure removing all the edition-specific data from Minecraft (Q49740) is a good idea since some wikis seem to depend on it (e.g. w:es:Minecraft is taking the version from software version identifier (P348).), and they seem to expect it to be like Java Edition. That makes me wonder if the main item should instead be about JE, and have it link to other editions in a different property like different from (P1889). Or maybe certain details could be left on it with an extra qualifier stating what version it's from (e.g. Minecraft (Q49740) software version identifier (P348) 1.16.5 / stated in (P248) Minecraft: Java Edition (Q###)). I'm not sure what the best way to go at this is. --ihaveahax (talk) 09:47, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
I've now started these items so far:
I also removed a few details from Minecraft (Q49740) when moving them to these such as store links. --ihaveahax (talk) 12:57, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Archive of this talk page[edit]

Can we archive this talk page, not including this month, so that we can focus on active topics and newcomers can find active topics too? LotsofTheories (talk) 04:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I think we should keep anything that's had activity since the start of the year, but otherwise I'm fully in favor of archiving everything else. Nicereddy (talk) 01:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Good idea. I just set up archiving, configured to archive threads after 6 months (copied from Wikidata talk:WikiProject Movies). We can adjust later if need be. Jean-Fred (talk) 07:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Some Gamepedia wikis have moved to Fandom domains[edit]

Figured you all want to know that some Gamepedia wikis are being moved to Fandom now and will use different URLs. Sometimes this overwrites an existing Fandom wiki. I saw this happened with Minecraft in the past few days. The official wiki was at minecraft.gamepedia.com and an unofficial one was at minecraft.fandom.com. As of now though, the Gamepedia wiki has moved to the Fandom domain, making minecraft.fandom.com the official one (with the Gamepedia URL now a redirect, and I don't know where the old Fandom wiki is). This might make items that use Fandom article ID (P6262) need updating in case they start to point to the wrong pages. --ihaveahax (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Just found the archived wiki is here: https://minecraft-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Wiki --ihaveahax (talk) 23:07, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Discord dedicated to the video games Wikiproject[edit]

Hi fellow contributors. I'm quite new to Discord, but don't you think it could be a nice idea to have one dedicated to the Video Games project ? Floyd-out (talk) 17:29, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Floyd-out: I'm not sure we'd get enough traffic to support an entire Discord just for this Wikiproject, but I do like the idea. Have you considered asking for our own channel in the Unofficial Wikipedia Discord? There's a Wikidata channel and a WPVG channel (for enwiki) but we might be able to get one for Wikidata's WPVG if we asked. Nicereddy (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
@Nicereddy: Ok I asked and the admins have suggested to start using the #wikidata channel in the Unofficial Wikipedia Discord, and if the video games topics become enough to warrant a separate channel they would do so. So let's meet there ;) Floyd-out (talk) 17:44, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi,
It seems to me that the Wikidata communit(y|ies) has coalesced more around Telegram as a platform than Discord? Personally I hang out more on Telegram but I’m happy to go for Discord if folks are more comfortable with it. :-)
Jean-Fred (talk) 10:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Also, Discord definitely has the advantages that other video game communities generally gather there − English Wikipedia VG project, but also various preservation and database projects − so it probably makes more sense :) Jean-Fred (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Playism (Q17238705) to close next month[edit]

We should probably make a catalog before it's too late. Jean have experience with the Archive Team members and VGPC members so i'm sure they can help archiving. --Trade (talk) 17:18, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft Fandom[edit]

Can anyone change the "minecraft:" in Fandom articles to "minecraft-archive:"? The Fandom site for Minecraft was archived to https://minecraft-archive.fandom.com, but the values we currently have for Fandom article ID (P6262) (example minecraft:Creeper) now redirect to the Gamepedia site, which we have a separate property for.

Some of many, many examples: Creeper (Q13164404), Minecraft: Bedrock Edition (Q6016926), Markus Persson (Q266224)

AntisocialRyan (talk) 22:59, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I just noticed someone talked about this already. AntisocialRyan (talk) 23:08, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
I probably worded that wrong, can someone do a batch statement I mean, or something like that? I don't actually know how that all works. AntisocialRyan (talk) 03:55, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

handheld electronic game vs Brick Game[edit]

Hi team.

It looks like there is a confusion on handheld electronic game (Q1797918). I wanted to ask you some advice here. It appears that some languages as English or French is talking about some "handheld electronic game" whereas some others like Spanish or Russian are talking about the specific "Brick Game". According to me, these two subjects are not the same and should be splitted.

So, what do you think about it?

If you agree, how can we operate here? YotaMoteuchi (talk) 22:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)