Wikidata talk:Tours

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Brilliant[edit]

This is a really lovely use of GuidedTours. Thank you! James F. (talk) 20:35, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Just tried this today. It really is amazing! Great work! Ajraddatz (talk) 15:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Multilingual ?[edit]

I miss the multilingual part on the tours. I think for now if you replace "Earth" by {{Q|2}} and "third planet in the Solar System" with {{autodescription|Q2}} etc. it will not confuse people whou have set their language to other than English. HenkvD (talk) 06:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the tours are designed to be easy translatable. However, we want to get some feedback first so we don't waste translators' time when some general things well change. However, thanks for the suggestion. -- Bene* talk 07:44, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
The second tour with the statements edits an empty item without any label or description. However the tour claims it is the item for earth.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 20:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
We might add the label of the real earth item. However, storing all the labels in the script is not a good idea imo. -- Bene* talk 12:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Or else you give the opportunity to edit label + description first, then add statements.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 00:34, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Lorem ipsum[edit]

The last 6 slides on the statements tour are lorem ipsum! Secretlady (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Secretlady, I cannot reproduce this issue. In which language do you experience this error? -- Bene* talk 04:34, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
The tour tells me it is not available in British English and sets itself as English. The lorum ipsum starts from the third Properties and values slide. I can't see it in Wikidata:Tours/StatementsSecretlady (talk) 21:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I've translated the tour into British English in case that is part of the problem. The machine I am using is IE8, https and no java script. Secretlady (talk) 21:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Two buttons[edit]

We have two buttons on the page: "Start with the first tutorial" and "Statt this tutorial" in the item section that start the same tour.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 00:31, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Is that a problem? -- Bene* talk 04:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I tried both buttons just to find out there are not three tours, just two. A lot of users as me will do the first tour twice instead of doing tour 1+2.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 11:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


Broken[edit]

Is there any reason why the tours don't actually work? One can see the textboxes in the middle of the screen but when it's meant to go off and do something, it doesn't (at least on the current version of Firefox), so that one can't see what it's referring to. I'm partially visually impaired, so it is very frustrating. Orderinchaos (talk) 21:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

@Bene*: Any idea what the issue is? --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 20:38, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
There was a breaking change in the js interface again so I now switched to the mediawiki javascript api. I think relying on any Wikibase javascript code is unfortunately a bad idea and should be avoided everywhere. -- Bene* talk 09:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I cannot get the tour to work either. I am looking into Wikidata as an option for students who with work with my campus' "Semana i (I Week)" event, which may very well mean hundreds of students next March. I need to understand Wikidata in order to figure out what we can do. Thanks!Thelmadatter (talk) 21:32, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking into it but I fear the api of the Guided tours extension has changed so I need to rewrite some parts of the code perhaps. Hopefully this won't take too long. -- Bene* talk 10:55, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thanks for the response! Im poking around as best I can.148.241.160.34 15:16, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I've tried the tours on Chrome, Firefox, and IE - absolutely does not work. Kosboot (talk) 04:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't work for me neither of of today. --Dprophitjr (talk) 01:09, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I opened phabricator:T85719 to get this solved. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it should have a (temporary) "OUT OF ORDER" sign[edit]

Is anything new as of 15-Feb-2015? I think it is still broken, and -- confusing!

IMHO it would be better if it at least had some disclaimer, stating that the tours do not work. I wasted a lot of time before eventually stumbling upon this "Talk:" page, which seems to indicate that the problem has been a known issue for months. IMHO it would be better if it had a statement -- a BIG one, with, like, some banner across the page -- saying "[temporarily] OUT OF ORDER" ... or something like that. Just my 0.02. YMMV. Comment from 11:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC) ... but then edited slightly, a few minutes later... : --Mike Schwartz (talk) 11:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Lucie is currently working on a fix. I hope we are going to make good progress next week on it. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
The tours have been non-functioning for over a quarter of a year now, any chance of a fix soon? Bosstopher (talk) 18:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah :( We're tracking it at phabricator:T85719. Bene: Are you looking into it or should I ask Lucie to work on it further? We added some investigation results to the phabricator ticket. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Bene* fixed them! Yay! Thanks, Bene*! --Lucie Kaffee (WMDE) (talk) 12:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
But it looks like they will break with the new interface again :( --Lucie Kaffee (WMDE) (talk) 13:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
@Mike Schwartz: I've put there a translatable sign. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Are the tours now fixed? They seem to be working for me. Can anyone tell me when the others will be released or has this been overtaken by other instructional resources? Thanks Mrjohncummings (talk) 08:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Only "lore ipsum" from the first pop-up and onward, on the first space and the first tutorial ends with that. I have 7 students sitting here tomorrow that will get a Wikidata schooling. The Turorials would have been nice. They should really get an "out of service" sign and T85719 should be reopened. --Gereon K. (talk) 22:27, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
P.S.: I just notice that it's not working in English but working in German. That doesn't help in an English language workshop. --Gereon K. (talk) 00:08, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Inadequate[edit]

End users need more documentation and explanation than the two Tours that are available. I am very supportive of Wikidata as a concept but when the information gets pulled from Wikipedia onto Wikidata the documentation needs to be there so that editors can edit the information easily -- and have enough knowledge skills abilities via training modules and simple documentation to do so. See depreciation of Authority Control templates as example where documentation does not exist, presenting barriers to editors who may need to update or add info to this section. Thanks. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 02:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Additional thought: Please make sure there is documentation BEFORE things are depreciated. It's clear people are excited at the possibilities of these new options but It's very important that documentation that is user friendly and easy to use exist first! -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 02:03, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

define "soon"?[edit]

How "soon" are these other tutorials coming? Is there a timeline? Is there a current owner for making this happen? Ijon (talk) 04:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. I have it on my list of tasks for students who want to do work around Wikidata but so far noone took this. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Items tour: translation problems[edit]

I started translating the tour, but ran into problems with this text: "For example, “2007 nature documentary film” and “one of the four classical elements” are both descriptions for items called Earth". The problem here is that in for instance Norwegian, the label for the classical element ("jord") is not the same as the label for the planet ("jorda" or "jorden"). And so, the example doesn't make sense. But I guess it could be hard to find an example that works well for all languages, so perhaps the best is if just each translator chooses an example element that works well in their language? Danmichaelo (talk) 22:30, 14 May 2016 (UTC)