Wikidata talk:WikiProject Roads

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Highway to the Top! Our push to Wikidata greatness[edit]

It seems we have some outstanding issues in this WikiProject. Let's discuss them. Feel free to suggest anything else. -happy5214 07:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Labels, descriptions, and aliases[edit]

In English, we've mostly adopted the "highway in <place>" format for descriptions. But there are some other formats out there. And what about descriptions in other languages? -happy5214 07:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Statements[edit]

There are a few things we should decide on. No "no value" for missing maps? Two terminus statements for a highway that's at both ends of another? Owner/maintainer usage for county routes? -happy5214 07:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

References[edit]

Should we require non-trivial references for our statements? -happy5214 07:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Item notability[edit]

When should we create a new item? Should all past alignments have their own items? What about streets that serve as termini? -happy5214 07:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Are systems "subclasses of road/highway" or "instances of highway system/road network"?[edit]

As it stands, the standard tagging for highway systems is subclass of (P279)  highway (Q269949). I decided on this tagging because is was already present on a few items and I wanted a standard tag that could be mass-changed to whatever the eventual consensus is. Talk:Q106123#Type shows that the time for such consensus is now. There are two closely related questions to answer below. -happy5214 22:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Are these items about highway systems or highway designations?[edit]

Systems[edit]

Designations[edit]

Both[edit]

Should they be tagged as instances of systems or subclasses of highways?[edit]

Systems[edit]

Classes[edit]

Both[edit]

Discussion[edit]

  • I had previously added highway system (Q25631158) as a subclass of road network (Q358078), with the intent of the former being used for highway systems typical of the United States and the latter being used for looser networks of roads, such as regional networks. I felt that the fully integrated highway systems of the U.S. needed a more specific class than simply a road network. Thoughts? -happy5214 22:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikimedia KML file property proposal[edit]

Please see discussion at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Sister_projects#Wikimedia_KML_file - Evad37 [talk] 08:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Created as KML file (P3096). This should probably be added to the Roadtable template (ping @Happy5214:). - Evad37 [talk] 14:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Two questions. Would this property be on par with the maps and shields in terms of importance? Also, where should the column be placed in the table? The actual coding is not too difficult, believe it or not. -happy5214 02:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Depends what you mean by importance? but everything that has a map should also have a kml and vice-versa (though either or both files might not actually exist yet). As for column location, next to the map column, I guess - Evad37 [talk] 05:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Also, would this break some of the pages with 400+ items since it would now be over the inclusion limit? Or am I misunderstanding how it works? --Rschen7754 03:43, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
It would not be a problem. roadtable has one expensive function call per item (plus one for each of the properties in the footer), and all of the properties that need to be checked can be pulled from a single item object/table. It would only add one expensive call (for the footer entry). -happy5214 22:54, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
I will get on this shortly. -happy5214 22:54, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
✓ Done -happy5214 23:04, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata:Database_reports/items_without_claims_categories/enwiki[edit]


The following categories appeared on the above lists:

I thought you might be interested.
--- Jura 16:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been going through and adding these statements, but I've already been through North and South America, and much of Europe. @Happy5214: Are these just not on the roadtable listings? --Rschen7754 18:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
1 links to add instance of (P31)=road (Q34442) to items without statements in categories of sitelinks on Category:Infobox road articles without wikidata instance of (Q25348520): en,
If you just want to add "P31:Q34442", the link above can help, but there might be more detailed values you want to use. Lots of Kentucky roads there.
--- Jura 18:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I'll look at the U.S. ones tomorrow. -happy5214 06:01, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
@Rschen7754: Can you mass-add the statements with anything now? Autolist is on its way out. -happy5214 02:45, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
@Happy5214: Petscan can do it. You have to select Wikidata as the wiki on like the 4th or 5th tab. --Rschen7754 03:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I updated the text of the header: for quite some time, all links lead to PetScan.
--- Jura 03:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The categories are not being updated by the system, so I have no idea what progress we've made. -happy5214 20:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

  • It works again. I did some of the remaining categories above. The search box I just added above allows to find more categories.
    --- Jura 10:47, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Regarding countries of Asia[edit]

It would be nice, if someone can create both /South Korea and /North Korea (probably @-revi:?), and update these subpages with the help of roadtable templates (like what I'm doing at Wikidata:WikiProject Roads/China, already done at Wikidata:WikiProject Roads/Asia/Highways, and planning to do at Wikidata:WikiProject Roads/Taiwan):

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:54, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

    • I plan to set up all the missing pages for Asia and Oceania over the next several weeks. Of course, any assistance from other editors, especially those familiar with the area, would be welcome. --Rschen7754 04:12, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
      • While you're looking at Oceania, Australia needs pages for its numbered road routes. I made a start at Wikidata:WikiProject Roads/Australia/Routes/WA a while ago, but haven't yet got round to finishing that one, nor to starting on the other states/territories - Evad37 [talk] 05:37, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
        • @Evad37: And, there's lack of roads in Myanmar, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea... maybe that's not easy to fullfill all properties for them but at least a list could be useful. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:27, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
        • I can probably convert the main Australia page, but unfortunately I can't do the routes pages, since that requires familiarity with Australia and is not easy to do en masse. --Rschen7754 17:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Mnn, I've found South Pole Traverse (Q800558) and Pegasus Road (Q22093445), both are roads in Antarctic. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:58, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Wikidata:WikiProject Roads/United States/Miscellaneous lists both of those items, for whatever reason. -happy5214 21:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
On enwiki, they are tagged as part of USRD. But I think they should be treated separately on Wikidata. --Rschen7754 00:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
So /North Korea is now available, but how about /South Korea? Can we invite @-revi: to help us? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
I do plan to do the remaining countries (Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, all of Oceania) but any help would be welcome, especially since in some cases I may have made mistakes where I don't know the local customs. --Rschen7754 20:15, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
I have also skipped some of the roads of lesser importance in a few countries. --Rschen7754 21:18, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I usually get flooded with notifications so I missed this one until now. Of course I am willing to help, and I'm looking around pages above. — Revi 07:22, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

@-revi: I've set up a lot of South Korea. There are a lot of roads missing but the most important roads are on the /South Korea page. --Rschen7754 22:10, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm currently too busy in real life so stuff like this (which requires some research and many edits) is delayed, I think I'll do it during December. — Revi 18:08, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

With the exception of the U.S. state of Texas, I have set up all the countries where there are existing road articles. There are likely many items missing, including county (or local equivalent) roads, city streets, etc. However, I think this is a good foundation to build upon. --Rschen7754 00:43, 28 November 2016 (UTC)