Wikidata:Requests for comment/One vs. several sitelink-item correspondence
|An editor has requested the community to provide input on "One vs. several sitelink-item correspondence" via the Requests for comment (RFC) process. This is the discussion page regarding the issue.
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Although the original RfC has been closed, the problem has not been solved yet and the discussion continues in new sections of this page.
This RfC explores possible solutions to the Bonnie and Clyde problem.
- 1 What the problem is
- 2 Possible solutions
- 2.1 Make all wikipedias have at most one page per item and one item per page
- 2.2 Allow linking a sitelink to several items
- 2.3 Create redirects in wikipedia and link those
- 2.4 Link them to one of them and hope for the best
- 2.5 Allowing use of anchored interwiki sitelinks
- 2.6 Use the old interwiki system for this type of cases
- 2.7 ????
- 2.8 Sitelinks with fragments
- 2.9 Use a property
- 2.10 Convert sitelinks into normal properties
- 3 Related discussions
Use a property
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The problem to solve is that when you are reading de:Schüler, you won't know how to find anything similar in other languages, because there are only 21 sitelinks in Q48942. There are 66 sitelinks in Q48282, which is very similar. However, you will not know, that in de:Schüler you have to follow a Student blue link to find those 66 sitelinks. This could be solved with a property, let's call it "Similar to":
|Similar to (P123456789)||Q48942||Similar to (P123456789)||Q48282|
Then, Wikipedia could get the missing sitelinks from (possibly multiple) similar items and (optionally) format them differently to suggest that it is not an exact corresponence.
The idea could be extended to note the order of preference of the similar items or which of the similar items is prefered for a specific target language. Petr Matas (talk) 02:07, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- The properties subclass of (P279) or said to be the same as (P460) can help to link the items. --Infovarius (talk) 13:17, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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The problem in my opinion stems from the fact that the Wikidata software assumes there is a 1:1 relationship between concepts/items and Wikipedia articles about the concepts/items. Therefore we treat sitelinks special, the software knows about them and presents them in a special section of the page. I think the solution could be to convert the sitelinks to normal statements we make about an item by using a property like described by source (P1343) pointing to an item of (a sub-)type of Wikimedia article page (Q15138389) on the item describing the concept. This way multiple items could point via described by source (P1343) to the same article.
Resolving interwikis would then amount to finding the items/concepts relating to a page and from the items/concepts search the articles in other language Wikipedias describing those concepts. If there is only one article found, one has the current situation, if multiple articles are found, the Wikipedia software can group them by concept.
- Oppose. Per WD:Main page, "Wikidata acts as central storage for the structured data of its Wikimedia sister projects including Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, and others." That's where the special handling of interwikis comes from. For example, an interwiki is automatically updated when an article is moved to a new title. If I undestand correctly, it is proposed to have a separate item for every article on every Wikimedia project. Currently we have about 13M Wikidata items and 62M sister project articles. I think that it is useless to create for each article an item merely linking to it. Using an authority control property similar to VIAF ID (P214) without creating separate items would be better, but you don't need to drop the special status of interwikis to modify the 1:1 relationship requirement anyway. I think that the special status question is only loosely related to this RfC. Petr Matas 14:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The above is a goal (which I support), but it doesn't say how the goal is reached, or does it? Regarding the proposal, there are two way one could achieve this, a reduced one by making items only for articles having multiple meanings or - like you describe and my preferred solution - making an item for every article. This to me would have other benefits, one could make statements about Wikipedia article like featured article, maintenance tags, etc. as well. --S.K. (talk) 07:22, 12 January 2015 (UTC)