Wikidata:Property proposal/study or design for

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study or design for[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Descriptionfinished work of art for which the subject is a preliminary study, design, or conceptual drawing
Representsstudy (Q2647254), drawing (Q93184), design drawing (Q29527561), costume sketch (Q29642784), other work of art (Q838948)
Data typeItem
Domainitem
Allowed valueswork of art (Q838948)
Example 1Queen Jane Seymour (1508/9-1537) (Q62071377)portrait of Jane Seymour (Q20091565)
Example 2Princess Elizabeth and Princess Anne (Q18683153)The Five Eldest Children of Charles I (Q28016094)
Example 3Design drawing for a hair comb “Birds and Irises” (Q60524777)Birds and irisses (Q60024123)
Planned useto link studies to their associated artworks
See also

Motivation[edit]

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts

We don't currently have a good way to link a design drawing or study to the final painting, tapestry, jewelry, costume, stage set, or other artwork for which it is a preliminary, conceptual work. "Based on" (used on the final work) doesn't really express this sense, since the study may be of a small detail (hands, drapery, one figure out of many). Saying that Holbein's portraits of Erasmus are <based on> his sketches of Erasmus's hands just isn't right. Better to say the hand study is a <study for> the portraits of Erasmus. (Note that single value and single object constraints should not apply to this property - there may be many studies for the figures in a large tapestry, and likewise several portraits worked up from a single study.) PKM (talk) 20:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - Spinster 💬 20:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support -- though I think a link back to Holbein's studies of Erasmus's hands should be on the Erasmus portrait, and I don't have such a problem with 'based on' there (one could add an 'applies to part' qualifier, to clarify that the statement applies to only part of the final portrait, not the whole design). But this property would add additional information on top of that, that the hands were specifically a design for the portrait, and I think that makes it a useful addition. Jheald (talk) 20:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 06:47, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I've been thinking about this for a couple of months now and I support the idea behind the proposal. But I think the other way around should be the chosen method if only one property is to be created. The reasons are practical. Most of the Wikipedia articles that we have will be about the finished works and a Wikidata Infobox is usually designed to use the statements of a given item only, not those pointing to that item. Also, there should be some kind of constraint for both items to have the same creator (P170) value, this being one of the main differences with based on (P144). Thierry Caro (talk) 17:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Interesting. Do we have any Wikipedia infoboxes that include the studies for a given work? - PKM (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support NMaia (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Jane023 (talk) 07:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Oliviervd (talk) 15:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @PKM, Spinster, Jheald, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, NMaia, Jane023: ✓ Done as study or design for (P6606). Thierry Caro (talk) 18:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)