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Wikidata:Property proposal/rewards this type of work

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rewards this type of work

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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Descriptionkind of work for which an award is given
Data typeItem
Domainbounty (Q4372150)
Allowed valueswork (Q386724), artificial object (Q16686448)
Example 1Grammy Award for Album of the Year (Q904528)→album (Q482994)
Example 2Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637)→political activity (Q12142141)
Example 3Grammy Award for Songwriter of the Year, Non-Classical (Q115810128)→composed musical work (Q207628)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Awards (Q18762205)

Motivation

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Useful and defining for awards.

author  TomT0m / talk page 09:53, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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 Comment I agree that this may be useful. I have just one concern: How would you reconcile this new property with existing ways of modelling e.g. film awards and their subclasses (see. film award (Q4220917), award for best film (Q96474687) and their application, e.g. Academy Awards (Q19020) and Academy Award for Best Picture (Q102427).)
Some cleanup is needed in this area generally, but especially if we introduce a new property that partly overlaps previous modelling approaches. Do we have an overview how this information is stored at the moment? How would you model e.g. Academy Awards (Q19020)? Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
film award (Q4220917) uses : the "of" qualifier (deprecated), and field of work (P101) which is supposed to be mainly used for persons or organizations.
award for best film (Q96474687) uses "facet of" which is mainly supposed to link different viewpoints about a same topic (a thing and its detailed history for example).
To me Academy Awards (Q19020) is a subclass of reward so it's not really a problem, it does not need to be modeled differently. author  TomT0m / talk page 13:45, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment How would you see science fiction award (Q107581015) being modelled? Would you just change this item, or Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032) and Hugo Award (Q188914) as well?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vicarage (talk • contribs).
@Vicarage: For that matter, I'd consider than a genre of fiction works is the (meta)-class of all the works that have the characteristics of science fiction. (ie. science fiction (Q24925)subclass of (P279)work of art (Q838948)), and also work of art (Q838948)instance of (P31)genre (Q483394) (genre would be a metaclass of artwork}}, values for "rewards this type of work" could be instance of genre easily, consistent with the first claim.
So SF is a kind of work, I'd consider that science fiction award (Q107581015)rewards this kind of workscience fiction (Q24925) would be a match.
Also this is a class of reward, just as the Hugo price is, so I'd be perfectly happy with science fiction (Q24925)subclass of (P279)science fiction award (Q107581015) as well as science fiction (Q24925)subclass of (P279)literary award (Q378427) or something like that. author  TomT0m / talk page 16:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever that C template is, its completely obfuscated what you are trying to say for me. Could you rephrase, using the 3 Q's I mentioned? Ta Vicarage (talk) 18:12, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vicarage: I changed to use Qs and the {{St}} template if you prefer, hope this make things clearer.
As for
I think there are two choices :
  • second option, we also classify awards like "the Titanic best film academy award in 1998", but we use meta-classification for classes of awards and "Academy best movie award" become an instance of something, a subclass of "type of award" like "best film award in some event", I don't know if that's actually useful. It is compatible with the first option. author  TomT0m / talk page 14:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So you just propose amending science fiction award (Q107581015), but nothing below it, so awards series and awards Hugo Award (Q188914) and Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032) would remain unchanged. That minimal change would work for me. Vicarage (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vicarage We could definitely put
explicitely, and indeed it may be better. Or just use Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032)rewards this kind of workscience fiction novel (Q12132683)
But because it's a subclass of classes that already have these statements it would be redundant. author  TomT0m / talk page 15:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Support if you only do the former, to minimise duplication. I'm just wondering if this property is relevant outside awards, say for honours, where it could be used as a qualifier. Fred Bloggs awarded an knighthood for charitable works. It would need a tweaked name, say "for work in the field of". But this might be stretching it too far. Vicarage (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're mixing slightly different things here. "Type of work" implies that the type entity is itself a subclass of "work." A genre is not a type of work, but rather a characteristic or category of works and their types. Therefore, the second option is incorrect. See Wikidata:WikiProject Arts, which I worked on a few years ago.
I think the correct use of this property would be either: "rewards this type of work" → literary work (Q7725634) with qualifiers [form of creative work = novel] and [genre = science fiction];
or, if that's too general, you can go with "rewards this type of work" → "novel", with [genre = science fiction] as a qualifier.
Using intersecting entities like science fiction novel (Q12132683) would likely only complicate use of the property in queries. Solidest (talk) 13:36, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Solidest: a characteristic or category of works and their types A type, or class in ontology (more comonly used) is exactly defined like this : it's a category of works, defined by some characteristic. The characteristic is what is called the "intension" in that article en:Class_(knowledge_representation). A genre is a specific kind of class. author  TomT0m / talk page 15:41, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In ontology, all these entities are (meta)classes. On Wikidata, however, we divide them between properties and apply them within similar modeling schemas. The difference is that what is considered a "type" on Wikidata must be an instance of P31 — whether or not we use it in that way is determined within our project-specific models. If it's not P31, we usually assign it to form of creative work (P7937) or has characteristic (P1552). Genre is never used as P31 — we always associate it with a distinct property genre (P136). Regarding the proposed property, it would also be incorrect to use it with genres, since, roughly speaking, it is still a "descriptive" class, not a "subject" class. Solidest (talk) 16:23, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Solidest I already said above that how we're supposed to do things on Wikidata is not a problem, it does not change the fact that all this fits conceptually perfectly. If your problem is the naming of the property I'm not opposed to find another. In practice the way we model in Wikidata does not make this property not work. author  TomT0m / talk page 16:46, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this is just my comment that among the three proposed usage options above, only the first one seems correct (so I'm not opposing the property). Solidest (talk) 17:08, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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