Wikidata:Property proposal/place of first attestation

place of first attestation

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Withdrawn

Description	place of the earliest use of the word, given by an etymological document or, where appropriate, by the oldest document found using it
Data type	Item
Domain	Lexemes
Allowed values	subclass of (P279)geographical feature (Q618123)
Example	ordinateur (fr) → France (Q142)
See also	location of discovery (P189), Wikidata:Property proposal/date of first attestation

Motivation

To indicate the etymology of a word. Tubezlob (🙋) 12:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support David (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
•  Support, per Wikidata:Property proposal/date of first attestation, with the same question and an other one : shouldn't we have a general property document of first attestation and using date and place as qualifier ? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• @VIGNERON: We can create this property, it's a great idea. I don't think that it will substitute the use of the two other properties as normal statements (not qualifiers) because this property will be use for just a few cases. A lot of etymology give us just a century or a decade and no first document (for example slang words). Tubezlob (🙋) 17:57, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

 Oppose as argued at Wikidata:Property proposal/date of first attestation. I'd prefer to not start with fuzzy properties that can hardly be referenced. Moreover first attestation could be a combination of place and date (e.g. it was used later in Europa than in the US) so this is better be stored with qualifiers. -- JakobVoss (talk) 15:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

 Comment Maybe it's better to word it as "earliest known" instead of "first", to make it clearer that the true first date may be never known. NMaia (talk) 14:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@NMaia: Yes good idea, I changed the label in the model that I suggested here. Have you an opinion for this model? Tubezlob (🙋) 16:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

•  Support. I like the "earliest known" idea as well. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose Use location (P276) and/ or published in (P1433) as qualifiers on whatever property is decided upon for the date of first attestation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:05, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, VIGNERON, JakobVoss, NMaia, YULdigitalpreservation, Pigsonthewing:  Withdrawn, see the discussion here: Wikidata:Property proposal/date of first attestation. Tubezlob (🙋) 10:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)