Wikidata:Property proposal/literary form

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literary form[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Descriptionstructure of a piece of writing
Representsliterary form (Q4263830)
Data typeItem
Domainliterary work (Q7725634)
Example 1Anna Karenina (Q147787)novel (Q8261)
Example 2Romeo and Juliet (Q83186)play (Q25379)
Example 3Ode to a Nightingale (Q3349126)ode (Q178985)

Motivation[edit]

literary form (Q4263830) describes the structure of a written work, which is different from literary genre (Q223393). Unfortunately the current data model in Wikidata mixes both literary genre and form as one together, which is not correct. Adding this property into Wikidata will help correctly model bibliographic data. Aubrey
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Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Books -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 18:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Tinker Bell:, according to Wikidata:WikiProject Books, it has been decided to use literary work (Q7725634) for instance of (P31), not novels, ode etc. That is the data model we follow. For literary forms, it is now used in literary genre (Q223393), which is incorrect, hence this proposal for this property to correctly describe a literary work. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 05:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
@Bodhisattwa: How could you model the genre (P136) and the literary form (Q4263830) of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (Q43361)? --Tinker Bell 07:50, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
@Tinker Bell:, literary form (Q4263830) would be novel (Q8261) and genre (P136) would be fantasy literature (Q1057172), the first one is the structure of the work and the second one is about the content. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 08:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
@Bodhisattwa: Symbol support vote.svg Support. --Tinker Bell 23:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral leaning toward Symbol support vote.svg Support. Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment it's complicated as some "type" are both genre and form (including novel (Q8261) and all the subclasses). How to determine which property to use in these edge cases? Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 12:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I wonder if this couldn't be made to more generic? Films have the same issue, with Film>Feature Film etc. and Project Music certainly have a need for a property like this, with Album>Studio album, Live Album, Compilation album, Remix album, Concept album, etc. Several other properties are also shared between Sweet kate
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Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Music and Project Books, would renaming this to "form/format of creative work" (or something more elegant than that) be possible? Moebeus (talk) 17:15, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment As Moebeus has stated, shouldn't this be more generic? In designing these properties one always has to think of items that stretch the boundaries. What about literary works that have no literary form?
I think it's a good idea to make this more generic. --Tinker Bell 22:50, 10 January 2020 (UTC)