Wikidata:Property proposal/language level

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language level of locutor[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Commons

   Not done
Representslanguage level (Q12775443)
Data typeItem
DomainLingua Libre (Q60024037)
Allowed valuesto be defined/items have to be created if this proposal is accepted (native speaker / good level / average level / beginner)
Example 1File:LL-Q150 (fra)-Nattes à chat-banane.wav language of work or name (P407) French (Q150) → language level = native speaker
Example 2File:LL-Q188 (deu)-Nattes à chat-Baum.wav language of work or name (P407) German (Q188) → language level = average level
Example 3MISSING
Sourcehttps://lingualibre.org

Motivation[edit]

Lingua Libre uploads audio file on Wikimedia Commons and saves the information related to this file in a template. These information could be stored using Structured data. This proposal aims to be used for prononciation redording from Lingua Libre (and others). See T239272 for more informations. Pamputt (talk) 15:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment It seems that this doesn't match any of ll's current template fields (see c:Template:Lingua_Libre_record#Template_parameters). --- Jura 08:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Jura1: In fact it is a data that is collected for each speaker on Lingua Libre, even if it's not yet in the template on Commons. — 0x010C ~talk~ 09:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Pamputt:, I think that is a speaker property and not a file property, as all the files from a given speaker should have the same level. Also do we have a lot of pronaunciation files dome by non-native speakers? --Jarekt (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We have already some, see for example (File:LL-Q188 (deu)-teste (Pamputt)-Vater.wav) For a precise quantifying, maybe 0x010C can provide a number. And yes, this property applies to the speaker on the LinguaLibre website. Yet, once it is uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, only the file exists. That is why we propose the creation of this property, to keep this information "attached" to the Commons file. Maybe, we have to think a better property name to disambiguate that point. Pamputt (talk) 05:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I am not sure whether we can use generic label for specific thing.--Juandev (talk) 08:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Pamputt, Juandev, Jarekt, Jura1, WikiLucas00, Poslovitch: The European Union −which has the unique challenge to manage 50~ languages within its own institutions− has set in place the w:en:Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR, Q221385) with levels :
    • Beginner : A1, A2
    • Intermediate: B1,B2
    • Advanced: C1, C2
    • Native
This Framework is leading the way internationally for language assessment. All major European languages teaching now follow this framework. Most European national languages too, by now. There is also copycat studies and frameworks by other major languages : Chinese, Japanese, etc, so this framework and its levels are expanding internationally. There are formal assessment tests you may pass to evaluate your language level, but the levels are human-friendly enough so that anyone could do a good guess on someone's level on this scale. It could be something to explore for us. AND the property may actually already exist on wikidata. Yug (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]