Wikidata:Property proposal/does not have quality

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does not have quality[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done
DescriptionIndicate that a certain quality is absent
Data typeItem
Domainitems, lexemes, forms
Example 1see does not have part (P3113) on ealli (L25088)
Example 2dark energy (Q18343) Does not have quality gravitational mass (Q1076402) (currently using does not have part (P3113))
Example 3prisoner (Q1862087) Does not have quality freedom of movement (Q1344824) (currently using does not have part (P3113))<
See alsodoes not have part (P3113)

Motivation[edit]

The same as does not have part (P3113), but for qualities. I wasn't sure if it was needed even after a discussion about ealli (L25088) and the use of does not have part (P3113). However, I needed only a minute to find use cases this would replace, hence this proposalCirceus (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Use has quality (P1552), with a value of "no value". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
    • @Pigsonthewing: I do not understand your example, could you elaborate? where can one put the value if you already put "no value" Germartin1 (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
      • My mistake: I read "gravitational mass" as being a property, not an item. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
        • @Pigsonthewing: No problem, do you still oppose it though? I'd like to know your opinion as you have the most experience. I think there should be fundamental question of negative values, because many qualifiers could have a negative counterpart, ex: valid in place (P3005) -> valid not in place (valid in all places except), etc. Germartin1 (talk) 09:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Agree, this does not work. This is to state the abscence of a quality expected for an object of this kind, so there necessary is a value author  TomT0m / talk page 13:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I like this proposal, but for these examples one could use as well "has quality" and then use the opposite. Example: prisoner "has quality" captivity (Q2920296); dark energy (Q18343) has quality inertial mass (Q843816) Germartin1 (talk) 12:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
    • @Circeus: I'll Symbol support vote.svg Support for now, but I'm still waiting for your reply Germartin1 (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
      • Because there's not always an opposite (what's the opposite of consonant gradation?). Also, dark energy is not even a quality of dark matter to begin with, it's a theoretical explanation to an entirely different phenomenon: dark matter explains otherwise inconsistent gravitational effects, dark matter has to do with the Universe's accelerated rate of expansion. Circeus (talk) 13:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment does not have part (P3113) has been proposed for deletion though I think on invalid grounds; I wonder if it would be better to generalize it to include this case? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:51, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Not enough support.--Micru (talk) 14:08, 19 December 2018 (UTC)