Wikidata:Property proposal/depicted format

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depicted format[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Descriptionproperty to help describe the format type of depicted subject, commonly confused with genre
Representswork of art (Q838948)
Data typeItem
Domainwork of art (Q838948)
Allowed valuesitem
Example 1Jester with lute (Q9850868)half-length portrait (Q18809572)
Example 2Panoramic View of Haarlem (Q20968305)panorama (Q41363)
Example 3Bird’s-eye View of Amsterdam (Q17558353)bird's-eye view (Q1153655)
Example 4The Trumpetter (Q30133212)niche painting (Q85303076)
Planned usepaintings, but also sculpture (e.g. bust)
Expected completenessnever complete
See alsogenre (P136)

Motivation[edit]

Initially I just wanted this for portraits (full-length, half-length, bust, etc) but quickly realized the usage could be more than that. Jane023 (talk) 12:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC) User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Musedata102 (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC) Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
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User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
S.ann.adams (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Karinanw (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2020‎ (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts. So I changed the formats portrait at bust length (Q241045), three-quarter portrait (Q18809567), half-length portrait (Q18809572), full-length portrait (Q18809626) to reflect that they refer to form, and not genre and linked to their respective categories. Next step is to ask a bot to change all paintings linking to them as genre to change them to this new property when created. See "what links here" on those items to see current mistakes.

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment. I've been thinking about this for a while. I am mostly supportive of the proposal but I think we should probably exchange a few words whatever. Mostly about the scope of this. Eventually, we'll need to cover framing (Q204794), but also camera angle (Q450539), etc. Should this be dealt with only one property? Should there be multiple new ones? I'd like to be able to store statements with values such as Dutch angle (Q584085), Foreshortening (Q3415995), etc. Is one catch-all property the way to go? I suppose but maybe we should give it second thoughts. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment the vague, open-ended nature of this property could cause confusion and/or messiness. Would every value also need a new designation as subclass of "format (Q2085518)"? And in Example 4, niche (Q695992) seems to refer to the architectural element depicted in the image, not the format itself. -Animalparty (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
    • I agree that the fourth example should be removed. The authorized values should all be subclasses of image-related items. I don't know which item in particular should be the grandfather item but you get the point. The property should not have as a value an architectural element or whatever else, just things related to ways of depicting stuff. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
      • Sorry, the term "niche"definitely reflects a painting format but the item just reflected the architectural element. Changed it to a new item (see linked commons category for examples) niche painting (Q85303076). Jane023 (talk) 13:55, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Otherwise nothing is ever gonna happen because of me. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:35, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Thanks. We have been working on this of course very slowly and carefully, but meanwhile we are approaching a half-million paintings. Maybe this would help if I also proposed one at the same time for the physical format (tondo, oval, miniature, portrait/landscape)? I am currently trying to work on genre and see a lot of strange data collecting in there. Your point about camera angle is also important (especially regarding SDoC). Jane023 (talk) 14:46, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, important information for art.--Arbnos (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Trade (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Could apply here format of creative work (P7937)? --Tinker Bell 02:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
    • No, but that could be a possible solution for the "physical painted surface" problem I mentioned above in my comment of 15 February. Jane023 (talk) 13:39, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Jane023, Thierry Caro, Animalparty, Arbnos: ✓ Done --Tinker Bell 16:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)