Wikidata:Property proposal/debated by

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Descriptiona person who debates a motion as parliamentary procedure
Representsdebate (Q769584)
Data typeItem
Domainmotion (Q452237)
Allowed valuesperson (Q215627)
Example 1Aims and Objectives Resolution of the Constituent Assembly of India (Q63343205)Mukund Ramrao Jayakar (Q6713023)
Example 2Aims and Objectives Resolution of the Constituent Assembly of India (Q63343205)Hari Singh Gour (Q5657231)
Example 3Procedure for Election of Permanent Chairman of Constituent Assembly of India (Q63344761)Purushottam Das Tandon (Q983057)
See alsomoved by, seconded by

Motivation[edit]

Debating on a motion before an assembly is the most important step to propose something . This property will help create data about the seconders debaters who have participated in any parliamentary democracy. The more we can create data about motions and politicians who have actively participated in parliamentary democracy, a simple query will reflect how well an elected member engaged in the assembly. Bodhisattwa (talk) 15:22, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

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Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject every politician Bodhisattwa (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Seems useful. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC).
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support This would be a very good edition to our coverage of legislation (Q49371). –MJLTalk 03:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I have a few different issues with this, as currently proposed. Firstly, though only minor, the "motivation" section seems to have been accidentally swapped with seconded by. More significantly, the examples given seem to conflate the outcome of a debate with the debate itself, and having something like Aims and Objectives Resolution of the Constituent Assembly of India (Q63343205) be both a "constitutional document" and a "motion" is likely to cause significant issues further down the line. It's certainly worth being able to record these things, but we need more thought as to the best way to do so. In most legislative systems there isn't as clean a 1:1 mapping between outcomes (e.g passed laws) and the various debates and motions that lead to them. We would also need to be careful not to end up with a solution that only works for a single type of legislative procedure. My suspicion is that if we were to have an item for any important debate itself (separate from the outcome of the debate), we could usefully use participant (P710) instead, with qualifiers to specify how the person participated (e.g. proposing or seconding a motion, giving an important speech, casting a certain vote etc), with much more flexibility that needing new properties for each of these. That also seems like it would be simpler to query for many of the common requirements. --Oravrattas (talk) 05:31, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 05:33, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg SupportHrishikes (talk) 04:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol wait.svg Wait This property would need a good definition that species what it means. Does debating only refers to saying things in an full session of a parliament? Do committees count? Do debates outside of the parliament count? ChristianKl❫ 18:50, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose would this list every member of an assembly? The assembly itself? It doesn't seem needed --DannyS712 (talk) 20:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)