Wikidata:Property proposal/confers
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grants academic degree
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
| Description | academic degree conferred or awarded by this institution |
|---|---|
| Represents | academic degree (Q189533) |
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | instance of (P31) or subclass of (P279) higher education institution (Q38723) |
| Example 1 | HTW Berlin (Q875138) → Bachelor of Science (Q787674) |
| Example 2 | Free University Berlin (Q153006) → Doctor of Laws (Q959320) |
| Example 3 | Humboldt University of Berlin (Q152087) → Doctor of Laws (Q959320) |
| Example 4 | Technische Universität Berlin (Q51985) → Master of Business Administration (Q191701) |
| Planned use | Extending information about universities to include the degrees that they confer. This will help differentiate between doctorate-granting and non-doctorate-granting institutions in Europe. There is a Carnegie Classification for US colleges (for example master's colleges and universities: larger programs (Q23335394) that focuses on varied descriptions (see here, for example, University of Saint Joseph (Q24399). But there is no information about degrees conferred, either for US or European higher education institutions. |
| Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
| Robot and gadget jobs | Potentially, bots could be importing the Anabin database (https://anabin.kmk.org/anabin.html). |
Motivation
As a project in a Master's course on Semantic Modelling in computer science we are looking at how to model degrees granted by institutions. We have set up a WikiProject for this ([1]) and have not been able to find the appropriate property for conferring degrees. This is different from an award conferred by (P1027) some institution. It must be an academic institution that confers a degree, and it is a degree that is conferred. This is also different from a past proposed property "confer to" that would involve people ([2]). This is my first proposal, apologies if I have not filled out the form properly. WiseWoman (talk) 12:28, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Discussion
Oppose academic degree (P512) Fit with the holder and the giver.Thanks David (talk) 14:47, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- That doesn't really fit. An academic degree is the thing that is conferred, so it is confusing that this is a property. And in the sense that it is listed on academic degree (P512) it is a Wikidata property for items about people (Q18608871). "confers" is not about people at all, but it is about the degrees that a university offers. So this is not a connection between a university and a person, but between a university and a degree. --WiseWoman (talk) 18:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- I see that the existing property is usable in everything related to academic degree (Q189533).Tnank you David (talk) 20:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- And I don't see this! As I wrote above, the academic degree (P512) is *specifically* something that a person has and as I mentioned, this is not about a person at all! It is a connection between a university and a type of degree. I would propose renaming academic degree (P512) to be "has academic degree" and not just "academic degree" in order to make it clear. So "confers" would be what the university does and "has" what a person has. --WiseWoman (talk) 12:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
- I see that the existing property is usable in everything related to academic degree (Q189533).Tnank you David (talk) 20:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- That doesn't really fit. An academic degree is the thing that is conferred, so it is confusing that this is a property. And in the sense that it is listed on academic degree (P512) it is a Wikidata property for items about people (Q18608871). "confers" is not about people at all, but it is about the degrees that a university offers. So this is not a connection between a university and a person, but between a university and a degree. --WiseWoman (talk) 18:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Support --ErraticProfessional (talk) 11:22, 9 July 2018 (UTC)- Support I also support adding a new property otherwise it is not possible to distinguish between different relations a degree can have --ydkn (talk) 11:22, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support I suggest splitting entities like Bachelor of Arts in Clinical Psychology (Q17014758) because it holds more than one atomic piece of information, the academic degree (P512) Bachelor of Arts (Q1765120) and the academic major (P812) clinical psychology (Q199906).--Flowantarl (talk) 14:24, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment I'm removing "ready" as the description doesn't seem to be matching the samples and I'm not really convinced that the label is optimal. Something like "academic degrees granted" seems closer to the intended purpose.
--- Jura 11:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)- I've rewritten the description to make it a bit more concise. However, if a different name is better, then perhaps "grants academic degree" would be better (should be singular in any case!). --WiseWoman (talk) 21:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's better. As the values are classes, I'm not that sure about singular.
What is "The academic degree (Q189533) itself should be qualified with an academic major (P812)." meant to say? If it should be a mandatory qualifier for the values, can you add them to the samples? Re: format, see below.
--- Jura 08:59, 12 July 2018 (UTC)- We have found enormous numbers of "Bachelor's degree in" <choose a field> each with an item. If you look at Douglas Adams (Q42), his degree is given as bachelor in academic field. That would permit much better control for queries, as you could easily ask for all universities granting any degree in the specific field. But some universities only grant just bachelor's of arts, not for example, Bachelor of Fisheries Science (Q4838797). Thus I would not make it mandatory, but desirable if the information is available. --WiseWoman (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support as "grants academic degree". Apart from that the description doesn't allow Wikitext and it would be good to change to a description without Wikitext before marking the property as ready. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- I am quite happy with this renaming!--WiseWoman (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support I adjusted the description to remove the wikitext (disallowed) and abbreviate to our normal style, and marked this as ready. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
