Wikidata:Property proposal/Riksdagen person guid

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Riksdagen person guid[edit]

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Descriptionidentifier for a Riksdagen member or other person on riksdagen.se with format UUID
RepresentsSwedish Riksdag database (Q21592569)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), primarily members of Riksdagen, Swedish MEP
Allowed values[0-9a-f]{8}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{12} (Universally Unique Identifier (Q195284))
Example 1Stefan Löfven (Q2740012)ac737989-5fa0-44bc-ad69-c1a0ddba71bb
Example 2Carl Bildt (Q52922)d7c317f1-83e4-11d4-ae60-0050040c9b55
Example 3Fredrik Reinfeldt (Q52920)d7c31d61-83e4-11d4-ae60-0050040c9b55
Sourcehttp://data.riksdagen.se/personlista
Planned useits used today in Riksdagen person-id (P1214) and will be used in the future in the same way
Number of IDs in sourceits all Swedish Parlament members since 1971, ca. 5000 people
Expected completeness100%
Formatter URLhttp://data.riksdagen.se/personlista/?iid=$1&utformat=html
See alsoRiksdagen person-id (P1214) with format \d{10,13}

Motivation[edit]

the Swedish Government are changing identifiers to a guid and told us to update Wikidata see task T235521. My intention is to convert the old ids to the new using the old property Riksdagen person-id (P1214) see alsoT235521. If that is not ok we need a new property thats why this request...

I Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose creating this property and suggest that we should just change values on Riksdagen person-id (P1214) (see T235521 and discussion Property_talk:P1214) but user @Jura1: insits so lets take the discussion here. Let me know what you decide. @Larske, Yger: do you have a second opinion - Salgo60 (talk) 00:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Lavallen set up Riksdagen person-id (P1214) five years ago and this has since been made available here. As most of his contributions these have proven to be sound. The data isn't "wrong" and shouldn't be deleted, merely because the original website is no longer available. --- Jura 00:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
    • The original website is available and will be so I guess as long as Sweden (Q34) exists (see xml with oldid in <intressent_id> ? 0622185335615 and new id in <sourceid> d7c317f1-83e4-11d4-ae60-0050040c9b55 ), but the original website had a technical debt using short ids and is now moving into guids... they will support both ids for the next 2-3 years. For me it doesnt matter more than I have to write this proposal and wait some weeks for decision. Maybe we need to change some templates using WD properties...- Salgo60 (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Data Quality do you have any philosophy/opinions if we should always create new identifiers when a system is changing identifiers - Salgo60 (talk) 21:29, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Seems to me a relatively pragmatic issue: Is there a stakeholder that benefits from retaining the old IDs? If yes they should obviously stay, if no, I would see it as sensible to drop/overwrite them, to avoid future confusions, and not clutter Wikidata with irrelevant content. Ls1g (talk) 10:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree. Adding a value with the new GUID makes sense. And we should set the other value as deprecated. Ainali (talk) 13:41, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Unless the identifier was irrelevant in the first place, I think it should be preserved. Users who did use it can continue to use it to find equivalents or lookup pages in the internet archive. We don't delete or overwrite identifiers because Google or some government takes content offline. --- Jura 17:08, 1 December 2019 (UTC)