Wikidata:Property proposal/PragerU presenter ID

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PragerU presenter ID[edit]

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RepresentsPrager University (Q30094954)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpeople
Example 1Bret Stephens (Q4961960) => bret-stephens
Example 2Nigel Farage (Q318471) => nigel-farage
Example 3Douglas Murray (Q1252408) => douglas-murray
Example 4Dennis Prager (Q982175) => dennis-prager
Sourcegoogle site:www.prageru.com/presenter/ presenter
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Mix'n'match3269
Number of IDs in sourceabout 200
Expected completenessis complete for existing items only (Q60447462)
Formatter URLhttps://www.prageru.com/presenter/$1

Motivation[edit]

Seem usefull. No Wikiproject politic or US? @Nomen ad hoc: Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC).
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 05:30, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose PragerU is not associated with any university, despite the deceptive name. It is a right-wing propaganda site. Most of their videos are filled with either falsehoods or highly misleading claims. We should not be promoting them here. See en: PragerU for enwiki's info on the site; this Media Matters discussion is pretty comprehensive on the extremism of some of these contributors. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:24, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support: I agree with ArthurPSmith that PragerU is a propaganda site, but that doesn't mean it's not suitable for linking to Wikidata. Having a property for a website isn't endorsing it, and most uses of data from the site (infoboxes on Wikimedia projects and external applications) can be selective about what properties they want to use, choosing to omit displaying this where it's not relevant. This might be a useful property for someone trying to get structured data about PragerU contributors, for any number of purposes. Vahurzpu (talk) 16:50, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Having a property for an external identifier here with a formatter URL creates outgoing links from Wikidata to that site, which Google and other automated systems can interpret as endorsement - certainly they increase the visibility and accessibility of the material. ArthurPSmith (talk) 23:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
      • Wikidata external identifier links are marked as nofollow (Q305885), which should prevent the property links from boosting PraegerU's search engine ranking. I also think that the boost in visibility that would come from the small number of people scrolling through the Wikidata pages is tiny, especially because these links would only be on the pages of PraegerU contributors. Vahurzpu (talk) 04:01, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
        • Hmm, I wasn't aware of the nofollow, that's a good thing. I guess it makes sense. Ok, withdrawing my "oppose" vote, but I'm still not entirely comfortable with this. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:13, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I would be very uncomfortable with creating this. If we want to index contributors to this venue (and I agree with VFP that that could be an interesting and useful think to do) we can use claims for that. I don't think we need a specific property for contributors, which feels like a tacit endorsement of the site.
In addition, I would generally be opposed to creating a specific "author/presenter on X website" property when there are only about 200 people it is going to be useful for. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)